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Old 08-11-2015, 11:16 PM
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^Sell the Turbo and buy a GT4=problem solved.
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Ha, wish it was that easy. I'm on the fence to full cage the 996TT or start over. Wife doesn't like the extra payments for a new Porsche since we just got a new tow rig.

Sorry for the derail, let's see some new hierarchies!
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Cheaper in the long run if that is what you want, but lets not derail thread.
Old 08-12-2015, 12:01 AM
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Lots of number 1's as far as I'm concerned. Ranking Porsche's is like ranking a shotgun, rifle, or fly reel. It depends on whether I'm duck hunting, deer hunting, or fishing.

For track duty I rank the GT3 number 1.
Long cross country touring, turbo or turboS.
A trip through back country roads I would take a Cayman GTS.

I would not include a GT4 on the list as a number 1 at all...at least not now. The potential is there, no argument. But it was just introduced. Let them get a few winning races behind them first. This would be like putting a promising rookie in the hall of fame before they play the first game; purely based on potential and press.

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Old 08-12-2015, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by race911
Does a 924 2.0L slot above the "4 door rubbish"?
I think Porsche training shoes rank above the 4 door rubbish
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
Yeah I wouldn't put a GT4 above a turbo. It is still just a Cayman with a big wing in my book. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put the GT4 above any 911.
I wouldn't say it's "just a cayman".

Lots of unique parts to the car from Weissach...one could argue more unique than the everyday run of the mill 911/s/turbo(s).

With price not being the motivating factor in the list, I think you could put the GT4 just after the Gt3, turbo s and turbo- but above the 911 GTS/s/base. Just IMO of course.
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Originally Posted by Buteo
I wouldn't say it's "just a cayman".

Lots of unique parts to the car from Weissach...one could argue more unique than the everyday run of the mill 911/s/turbo(s).

With price not being the motivating factor in the list, I think you could put the GT4 just after the Gt3, turbo s and turbo- but above the 911 GTS/s/base. Just IMO of course.
Yep. It was only my opinion. No need for folks to open a disscussion on the GT4 part numbers and likeness to a 911. It was only my opinion. To me I would put the GT4 right over the Cayman R below all the 911's, GT2, GT3, CGT and 918.
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I can only give a Hierarchy to my own cars.

Porsche 944S2 Cab
Porsche 996 TT
Volvo 850 T5-R
Volvo S60R
Any specific reason you place your 944S2 over your 996TT?
I like how my 944 is light and nimble but that doesn't beat the thrill of the boost from my 996TT.
Old 08-12-2015, 01:30 AM
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Why is c2s below c4s?
Simple, really: The C4S is better. Period. I've had three, after a C2.
Better.
Old 08-12-2015, 01:52 AM
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This is a funny thread. The GT4 is somewhat of a mutt, so really hard to place. It has great GT bits for suspension and brakes, but no dry sump motor, de tuned no less. I'd still put it on par with a 911 C4, not quite GTS. ITs also so subjective. If you are older or less mobile, all the four doors move to the top of the list. As for the GT line over the turbo, you just need to drive both hard and you'll see why. Not even considering the depreciation, the overall feel of the GT cars is another level.

My comments on the GT4 are perceptive only. Driving it may (probably) jump it up higher on the list.
Old 08-12-2015, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanmarcboilard
Any specific reason you place your 944S2 over your 996TT?
I like how my 944 is light and nimble but that doesn't beat the thrill of the boost from my 996TT.
1. It was my First Porsche
2. I spent and continue to spend a lot of time working on it with my Father which has a value beyond any car.
3. It is also the car that I learned my Profession. (Mechanics)
4. When it actually runs its faster then my 996TT but to be fair my 996TT only has a 1bar tune/exhaust so maybe 120mph trap speed.
5. The car is built around what I want and what I like. So, I guess it stands to reason that if its built with my own interest in mind its going to be loved by me but someone else might really hate it.
Old 08-12-2015, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by techweenie
I've been puzzled by some peoples' notion that the 996 GT3 ranks higher than the 996 Turbo. I don't see it. Also, I'd rank the Boxster above the Cayman, as they are mechanically identical, but I've always liked the option of top up or top down. Some people have silly notions about Boxsters and think Caymans are wonderful. When I talk with people raving about Caymans, I just say: 'they're okay, I only wish they made a convertible version.'
Depends on what you value. I've owned 2 996 TT's a 996 GT3, and my favorite is the Boxster S, my current track car. My second favorite is the GT3- that engine noise at redline-WOW.

I liked the TT's as daily drivers, but it took modifying the suspension to get them close to the handling capability of the GT3 and Boxster. For me, handling, and visceral driving sensation matters most. For others, such things as violent acceleration or comfortable daily driver matters most and for them the 996 TT would rank higher.
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I am not going to get into the discussion other than to say its easy to make a list as Porsche has done it for us by exclusivity. That can be argued also but most lists are plainly personal opinions.
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Originally Posted by Atrox
For most people you say Porsche and they think boxster, cayman, 911 are all the same. What's a good general automotive comparison to help the less informed understand the diff between say an entry boxster to a turbo.

For example
Corvette zo6 (turbo) Camaro v6 (boxster)
I think it's hard to find a good comparison from another car manufacturer thats analagous to the difference between the boxster and 911 turbo since both porsches are sports cars and not many other manufacturers have two sports cars in their lineup that are as different as the 911 turbo and the boxster. Yea the base camaro and zo6 are vastly different but to your typical person that's not into cars they're pretty similar -> both are american sports cars.

Best parallel I can think of is the Audi TT (Boxster/cayman) and the Audi R8 (Turbo). One is a sports car, the other is a supercar, it's just that the turbo doesn't have the aggressive looks of the R8.
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Originally Posted by Fishey
4. When it actually runs its faster then my 996TT but to be fair my 996TT only has a 1bar tune/exhaust so maybe 120mph trap speed.

944S2 is a fine car. I rented one for an entire weekend and drove it through the hills near Malibu. I thought about one or a 968 cab at one point. But I'm curious if we're talking stock vehicles, how your 944s2 is faster than your 996TT? Sounds fishy, Fishey.


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