cabriolet issue on my 996 -99
02-01-2017, 11:10 AM
#3
B3freak...is that a case for replacing the trim/seal parts in that area or simply trying to get the corded edge of the top back into the seal/trim? The '99 I took for PPI last week was starting to do that a bit and my assumption was that it could probably be tucked back in...was my assumption (as usual) wrong?
02-01-2017, 11:16 AM
#4
Nordschleife Master
Watch this video and closely examine the middle section as it opens.
02-01-2017, 10:44 PM
#5
Intermediate
I had this issue when the rivet holding the tension cable snapped. This may help if that is the problem:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...f-996-cab.html
-Greg
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...f-996-cab.html
-Greg
02-02-2017, 05:49 PM
#6
Three Wheelin'
Read this thread. Nice detail on how to approach this common issue.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ight-pics.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ight-pics.html
03-06-2017, 09:18 AM
#7
I'm looking at a potential purchase of a 2002 C4 convertible. It has a couple issues with the top. Basically the same issue where the top pulls in and away from the seals. Also a lot of gap between the headliner and the top in that section where the middle piece of trim comes away from the top.
Both cables seem to be firmly attached. Possible that is simply stretching over time? just a little too stretched out?
Regarding the liner, I noted that there are some black fabric bands in that area that are broken...I am guessing they were elastic and held the head liner closer to the top at one time? Rest of the liner appears to be fine, except both sides in this same area where the center piece of side roof trim pulls away from the top.
Sorry for the crap pictures...i was having a devil of a time with exposure and focus in the bright outside light and the dark interior.
Both cables seem to be firmly attached. Possible that is simply stretching over time? just a little too stretched out?
Regarding the liner, I noted that there are some black fabric bands in that area that are broken...I am guessing they were elastic and held the head liner closer to the top at one time? Rest of the liner appears to be fine, except both sides in this same area where the center piece of side roof trim pulls away from the top.
Sorry for the crap pictures...i was having a devil of a time with exposure and focus in the bright outside light and the dark interior.
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03-06-2017, 10:04 AM
#8
Nordschleife Master
Wow, that's a lot of slack in the cable. Looks like it's drooping down several inches. That cable is supposed to be tight along the convertible frame channel. IMHO, the cable is either stretched and needs replacement or it's not attached properly.
If you're negotiating a fair price, I would try to get the price down to cover professional service on the top. If the convertible doesn't need replacement, you should budget around $1000 for complete service. I replaced my top for $2000 and that covered installing the original OEM heated rear window into the new top.
If you're negotiating a fair price, I would try to get the price down to cover professional service on the top. If the convertible doesn't need replacement, you should budget around $1000 for complete service. I replaced my top for $2000 and that covered installing the original OEM heated rear window into the new top.
03-06-2017, 10:37 AM
#9
Sorry, that's a crappy picture...that's not the tension cable. That's a wiring harness in the roof!
The tension cables seem pretty tight...but are just loose enough that the fabric puckers with the roof closed and pulls away from the seals.
That pic shows the sag of the roof liner away from the roof in that area. Like I said, I think there are normally some elastic fabric bands that would hold all that stuff in place....they are either blown out or (one is) ripped. I don' think it is separation of the head liner form the roof as there is no glue in that area.
That is on the drivers side...which actually conforms to the molding better. The passenger side is a bit worse, but can be guided into the track in the molding when the roof is being closed. See pic
The tension cables seem pretty tight...but are just loose enough that the fabric puckers with the roof closed and pulls away from the seals.
That pic shows the sag of the roof liner away from the roof in that area. Like I said, I think there are normally some elastic fabric bands that would hold all that stuff in place....they are either blown out or (one is) ripped. I don' think it is separation of the head liner form the roof as there is no glue in that area.
That is on the drivers side...which actually conforms to the molding better. The passenger side is a bit worse, but can be guided into the track in the molding when the roof is being closed. See pic
03-06-2017, 11:52 PM
#10
Rennlist Member
Sorry, that's a crappy picture...that's not the tension cable. That's a wiring harness in the roof!
The tension cables seem pretty tight...but are just loose enough that the fabric puckers with the roof closed and pulls away from the seals.
That pic shows the sag of the roof liner away from the roof in that area. Like I said, I think there are normally some elastic fabric bands that would hold all that stuff in place....they are either blown out or (one is) ripped. I don' think it is separation of the head liner form the roof as there is no glue in that area.
That is on the drivers side...which actually conforms to the molding better. The passenger side is a bit worse, but can be guided into the track in the molding when the roof is being closed. See pic
The tension cables seem pretty tight...but are just loose enough that the fabric puckers with the roof closed and pulls away from the seals.
That pic shows the sag of the roof liner away from the roof in that area. Like I said, I think there are normally some elastic fabric bands that would hold all that stuff in place....they are either blown out or (one is) ripped. I don' think it is separation of the head liner form the roof as there is no glue in that area.
That is on the drivers side...which actually conforms to the molding better. The passenger side is a bit worse, but can be guided into the track in the molding when the roof is being closed. See pic
03-06-2017, 11:57 PM
#11
Addict
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Rennlist Member
Wow, that's a lot of slack in the cable. Looks like it's drooping down several inches. That cable is supposed to be tight along the convertible frame channel. IMHO, the cable is either stretched and needs replacement or it's not attached properly.
If you're negotiating a fair price, I would try to get the price down to cover professional service on the top. If the convertible doesn't need replacement, you should budget around $1000 for complete service. I replaced my top for $2000 and that covered installing the original OEM heated rear window into the new top.
If you're negotiating a fair price, I would try to get the price down to cover professional service on the top. If the convertible doesn't need replacement, you should budget around $1000 for complete service. I replaced my top for $2000 and that covered installing the original OEM heated rear window into the new top.
03-07-2017, 04:28 AM
#12
it was a very simple fix the strap has loops in the middle that holds the spring and the stitching had come undone. The strap is between the headliner and the top and runs from side to side right where the top is no longer seating inside the plastic frame.
03-07-2017, 06:20 AM
#13
Rennlist Member
Mine had this issue - it was a nylon strap with a spring in the middle that keeps tension on both sides of the top when closing.
it was a very simple fix the strap has loops in the middle that holds the spring and the stitching had come undone. The strap is between the headliner and the top and runs from side to side right where the top is no longer seating inside the plastic frame.
it was a very simple fix the strap has loops in the middle that holds the spring and the stitching had come undone. The strap is between the headliner and the top and runs from side to side right where the top is no longer seating inside the plastic frame.
03-07-2017, 09:33 AM
#14
Nordschleife Master
Call Kenny. He works on Porsche Cabriolets and most any convertible.
http://www.theconvertibletopman.com/
http://www.theconvertibletopman.com/
03-07-2017, 11:04 AM
#15
Wyvo and JTT....that seems the likely culprit, thanks.