docmirror

Yes, I know - another oil thread. So far, I've been reading MSDS sheets until my eyes start to bleed. And so far, none of the things I've read lead me to think that there is a true PAO base synthetic avail in the US. I want a true syn oil for my 996, and if I have to import it from Stuttgart, so be it.

Someone - prove me wrong. By 'prove me wrong' I really mean 'prove' me wrong. Which would be with mfg specs, or statements and not an opinion by bubba, or some guy who knew some guy who made oil back in 04.

Sorry in advance.

docmirror

I have found the holy grail. I think.

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...&id_base_oil=1

dan_189

Thats from my part of the world!

If you need any help (contacting the manufacturer, suppliers or even getting some!) let me know

docmirror

Good on ya mate! I might be in touch.

They say they have a supplier in the US on the left coast, I've emailed to check on avail. We will see.

docmirror

May have found another one;

http://www.synlube.com/Synthetic_Mot...UNIVERSAL.html

MoeMonney

I think Motul has what you're looking for. They have many distributors in the US.

KoB

FWIW, I buy my Motul from Amazon ... their price on the 4-pack of 5-liter jugs is pretty good if you have Amazon Prime.

docmirror

Got any proof?

MoeMonney

https://www.motul.com/mx/en/products...00-x-cess-5w40

Alansglide

Motul x-cess was recommended to me when I purchased my 911. Never use anything else

docmirror

Thank you -- but:

.1. Product identifier
Product name : 8100 X-CESS 5W40
Product code : 17600
1.2. Relevant identified uses of the substance or mixture and uses advised against
4-stroke engine lubricant
1.3. Details of the supplier of the safety data sheet
Registered company name : MOTUL
A
SECTION 3 : COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
3.2. Mixtures
Composition :
Identification
(EC) 1272/2008
Note
%
INDEX: 649-467-00-8
L
25 <= x % < 50
CAS: 64742-54-7
EC: 265-157-1
REACH: 01-2119484627-25-0031
DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
CAS: 72623-87-1
GHS08
25 <= x % < 50
EC: 276-738-4
Dgr
REACH: 01-2119474889-13
Asp. Tox. 1, H304
LUBRICATING OILS (PETROLEUM),
C20-50, HYDROTREATED NEUTRAL
OIL-BASED
CAS: 72623-87-1
GHS08
2.5 <= x % < 10
EC: 276-738-4
Dgr
REACH: 01-2119474878-16
Asp. Tox. 1, H304
LUBRICATING OILS (PETROLEUM),
C20-50, HYDROTREATED NEUTRAL
OIL-BASED
Made under licence of European Label System, Software of INFODYNE (http://www.infod

targa996

Redline 5w40 ?

Pao/ester blend , but what are you trying to achieve ? What about the other additives to the base stock ? If you really want to get more scienific, try joe Gibbs (dt driven) , motul, mob 1, liqui moly , redline etc. fresh oil
Before each track weekend and do a used oil analysis after and compare results .....

Alansglide

Interesting Doc that it's not recommended for 4 stroke lubricant as it's on the list of approved lubricants
by Porsche.

Someone posted a link to that list within the last 6 months or so. I'll have to search for it.

docmirror

There's a number of group III and group IV blends. This trend started after the lawsuit in the US allowed mfg to claim hydrocracked mineral oil to be called 'synthetic'. I'm guess here, but since the cost of the hydrocracked mineral oil base is about 30-40% the mfg cost of the ester/PAO cost, that the blends are likely 80:20, or 90:10, or 99:1 mineral:PAO. Of course, no mfg will come out and tell you what the blend ratio is as it's proprietary, but the fact is, they are in business to make money, and PAO cost more to put in the bottle. Will some vendors trade on their name and reputation? Of course they will.

So I guess I would be ok with a blended oil, but only if I was able to know the ratio of mineral to PAO, and so far no one is talking about that. I remember well the early days of Mobil-1 and their scandal with the early true synthetic(man made, esters) and some of the issues it caused. Mainly in the auto world, it was swelling or leakage past seals and gaskets. So, it's pretty easy to tell when a 'synthetic' is actually a class III because it doesn't leak where a seal may be partially compromised.

Which brings up an interesting point, and here I will use the dreaded IMSB, so one may pass this by if they don't want to hear about it. I'm wondering -- because the word 'synthetic' in AU, and Europe must mean group IV oil and cannot mean group III, has there been any studies done on the IMSB failure rates between US and other countries where there may be much higher use of actual PAO ester type oils? All I ever heard about was the settlement with US owners but if there's a correlation with higher failure rates in the US, that might be interesting.

KNS

Interesting question regarding the Euro Synthetic. I would think the settlement has more to do with our litigious society in the US...