Dealer Wrecked my 996
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Originally Posted by gittledog
Finally [ ] I got basically the same answer from him that I got from everyone else below him. "Sorry, but it was an accident, accident's happen."
Also - what state are you in? There might be an attorney or 2 that has some knowledge in your location - or at least the ability to do some quick and dirty research.
Best of luck,
-td
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Originally Posted by td873
OUCH! Despite other "advice" to the contrary, I think you should consider having an attorney on board at this point. I know your friend is competent in this field - but I suggest you venture out and retain someone else (this will prevent any bruises on your friendship if things go bad). You can still use your friend as a backstop - and he may be able to refer you to someone good.
Also - what state are you in? There might be an attorney or 2 that has some knowledge in your location - or at least the ability to do some quick and dirty research.
Best of luck,
-td
Also - what state are you in? There might be an attorney or 2 that has some knowledge in your location - or at least the ability to do some quick and dirty research.
Best of luck,
-td
Obviously here, the attitude of the GM's runs straight down from the owner. It is a shame, as it is really stupid for them to go down this path. If he had offered what you are entitled to, that would be one thing, but basically they are telling you to go pound dirt.
You need to establish what your legal rights are in your state, and if you have the choice of where to have the vehicle repaired, start by taking it there.
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Originally Posted by gittledog
Finally, after many phone calls and visits to the dealership, I received a phone call from the owner of the dealership that wrecked my 996. I got basically the same answer from him that I got from everyone else below him. "Sorry, but it was an accident, accident's happen." He still insists on having his body shop do the repairs and then and only then would he even consider a possible trade-in. Oh, and he also told me that I was acting like his 15 yr. old daughter. Is he kidding me!!
By the way, my car was flat-bedded to the dealership for the initial warranty work and I never signed any dealership paperwork. Is this a good thing? Also, the tech that wrecked my car was ticketed for the accident. So he was negligent.
By the way, my car was flat-bedded to the dealership for the initial warranty work and I never signed any dealership paperwork. Is this a good thing? Also, the tech that wrecked my car was ticketed for the accident. So he was negligent.
Get your insurance company to talk to their insurance company direct - leave the dealership out of it.
Your insurance company will be able to move things along far more quickly with the professionals at the other insurance company - and in turn they'll be leaning on the dealership real fast, trust me!
Your insurance will also know where you stand regarding using a body shop of your choice, diminished value, etc etc.
And get a lawyer - and have him notify the dealership that he's retained on your behalf.
It's time to stop burning your own time, and use the professionals.
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I would have my attorney unleash the hounds of hell on that dealership. Also, internet forums are great at spreading the word of such incidents. As for getting your own insurance company involved, I'm not sure if I would do that as they aren't responsible for what transpired and neither was the vehicle owner. It would speed along the repair, but may muddy the waters with another party being involved.
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Originally Posted by WPOZZZ
I would have my attorney unleash the hounds of hell on that dealership. Also, internet forums are great at spreading the word of such incidents. As for getting your own insurance company involved, I'm not sure if I would do that as they aren't responsible for what transpired and neither was the vehicle owner. It would speed along the repair, but may muddy the waters with another party being involved.
They would 'in theory' pay for all repairs to your satisfaction and then subrogate against the dealership (and hence their insurance company) for their money.
And when it's their money at stake - they'll be working damn hard to get it back.
Now if the dealership were reasonable, he wouldn't have to go down this route - but the signs are pretty clear, dealer is prepared to play hardball and even resort to some name calling.
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Name of dealer: nothing wrong with telling us the name of the dealer, as long as you're sure anything you've said about them is absolutely true. You don't want a business libel suit. Also, you may want to keep it confidential for now so your counsel has it as a bargaining chip later.
Lawyer: get one. If only to sit down with him for an hour or two and lay out the facts. He may tell you to go through your insurance company. He'll have to read your policy (as you should).
Good luck, and keep us posted.
CP
Lawyer: get one. If only to sit down with him for an hour or two and lay out the facts. He may tell you to go through your insurance company. He'll have to read your policy (as you should).
Good luck, and keep us posted.
CP
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Originally Posted by WPOZZZ
As for getting your own insurance company involved, I'm not sure if I would do that as they aren't responsible for what transpired and neither was the vehicle owner.
Also, as I understand it (from some web research), you should keep in mind that you are in a first party position with your insurance company (i.e. direct contract) so anything you get will be under the terms of your contract - which might not have dimished value. If you fight the dealership directly - they are not related to you, so you have full recovery under tort law. Both have upsides and downsides. And I'm still of the mindset that you should have counsel so that you can be fully informed before you make a decision.
-td
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Originally Posted by td873
Involving your insurance company sounds like a good suggestion. They have deep pockets to fight this kind of stuff. I did the same thing when I had a minor fender bender on the highway: I didn't file a claim, I just notified them of the incident. I ended up recovering without using my insurance company, but since they were in the loop, if the other guy didn't pay, my insurance company would take care of the car.
Also, as I understand it (from some web research), you should keep in mind that you are in a first party position with your insurance company (i.e. direct contract) so anything you get will be under the terms of your contract - which might not have dimished value. If you fight the dealership directly - they are not related to you, so you have full recovery under tort law. Both have upsides and downsides. And I'm still of the mindset that you should have counsel so that you can be fully informed before you make a decision.
-td
Also, as I understand it (from some web research), you should keep in mind that you are in a first party position with your insurance company (i.e. direct contract) so anything you get will be under the terms of your contract - which might not have dimished value. If you fight the dealership directly - they are not related to you, so you have full recovery under tort law. Both have upsides and downsides. And I'm still of the mindset that you should have counsel so that you can be fully informed before you make a decision.
-td
probaly the best suggestion yet. I also wouldnt let THEIR body shop fix it. They have too much involved and id bet money they will shortcut the repair. Your not obligated to have THEM do the repair. Id take it to another shop, and file it with your INS co, then your INS will collect from the dealer.
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I would find the BE$T (ie: most trusted PCA enthusiast type) repair place in the area, and have the car brought to them. If you have to fix the car, don't let the dealer's place do it!
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Originally Posted by Giovanni
Are you the first/only owner? I hardly doubt they will offer or settle with a brand new P but I would be happy if they gave me the retail value. If you have the car fixed it will not be the same and it will be recorded with carfax etc and lowering the value of your car.
Sorry, that's steering off-topic.
Sorry to hear about the crash. It's been a few days, I'm only on page 2 so hopefully I'll next read about a good outcome.
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"... he also told me that I was acting like his 15 yr. old daughter."
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Originally Posted by StanSoph
"... he also told me that I was acting like his 15 yr. old daughter."
This alone warrants a full bend over job, lots of hair pulling and no lube. Go get 'em.
This alone warrants a full bend over job, lots of hair pulling and no lube. Go get 'em.