Notices
993 Forum 1995-1998

Condensation in 993 Engine

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-16-2017, 06:19 PM
  #16  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,247
Received 507 Likes on 348 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Gbos1
Yes. this is what I am going to use going forward. Porsche developed the formula "in house" specifically for our engines.
Please show us where this is documented

AFAIK Porsche oil is repackaged Castrol Edge 10w-60
It fails on 2 counts
1) for 993 summer use 15w-40 or 15w-50 are the recommended summer weights(look in you owners manual)
2) ZDDP specs back in the mid '90's was ~1100ppm P & 1400ppm Zn, I know of no Castrol product that even comes close to those levels
Old 02-16-2017, 06:23 PM
  #17  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,247
Received 507 Likes on 348 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by OverBoosted28
I may be wrong, but I don't think the CAFE had even instituted 0/20, 5/20, 5/30 oils back in the mid to late 90s. At the very least, they were new to the market. Wouldn't that be a clue that these oils should NOT be used in AC engines?
It's partially due to Cafe requirements but more to the EPA mandating long life emissions systems, ZDDP kills catalytic converters, so API came out w/ the new ILSAC standards that killed 2 birds w/ one stone, Most modern engines run fine w/ these low weight low ZDDP starburst label oils, 993 do not, or I should say that will run but will also wear out much faster.
Old 02-16-2017, 06:57 PM
  #18  
Kein_Ersatz
Rennlist Member
 
Kein_Ersatz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Flyoverland - Central, Ohio
Posts: 3,213
Received 242 Likes on 171 Posts
Default

Bill V - FTW!

Just love oil threads, next up engine trays...
Old 02-16-2017, 07:00 PM
  #19  
EMBPilot
Banned
 
EMBPilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

schooled by Bill.
Old 02-16-2017, 07:00 PM
  #20  
bwp951
Rennlist Member
 
bwp951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: So. Cal
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Oil thread #xxx,xxx,xxx
Old 02-16-2017, 07:17 PM
  #21  
user 723923490
Banned
 
user 723923490's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,444
Received 121 Likes on 73 Posts
Default

Somebody please find the most comprehensive oil thread and make it a sticky!
Old 02-16-2017, 08:41 PM
  #22  
BlackSnake99
Instructor
 
BlackSnake99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: NoVa
Posts: 230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have never been on a car or bike forum where there haven't been oil fights! It MUST be the most consistent thing on the Interweb.
Old 02-16-2017, 10:51 PM
  #23  
AX993
Pro
 
AX993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Deep South
Posts: 573
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

When I had a climate control unit fan speed surge issue I found this post by rennlister RecardoD on the 964 section. I believe that there have been other diy's on Rennlist and Tore's ( https://www.bergvillfx.com ) website you might also want to read.

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...aning-diy.html

I used his instructions to clean the thermistor and used electronic contact cleaner on connections and fan and temp rheostats. I didn't need to replace the thermistor fan so I skipped that part.

Fan speeds have been working correctly for 6 months now!
Old 02-17-2017, 05:20 PM
  #24  
IainM
Rennlist Member
 
IainM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 2,101
Received 300 Likes on 231 Posts
Default

I recommend an Italian tune up to all my friends
Old 02-18-2017, 10:14 AM
  #25  
VintageRacer477
Racer
Thread Starter
 
VintageRacer477's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 365
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=Your A/C problem sounds like a bad temp sensor in the CCU, climate control unit. The dealer will be able to pull codes with there hammer tool and know exactly what is wrong. Could also be a bad resistor on the rear engine fan.[/QUOTE]

I took it to the dealer because one would assume they would be able to read the codes. They found no codes. And, the a/c has been working flawlessly since the day that it went haywire. It figures.

As for the milky oil—thanks to all who commented. I didn't check the filler cap before Thursday's oil & filter change. But, did just now and underside of cap is perfectly clean.

Will have a couple of long drives in next month including the 600-mile R/T to Werks Reunion. I know that it needs more of that, and less of the local short-trips.
Old 02-18-2017, 10:37 AM
  #26  
Mike Murphy
Rennlist Member
 
Mike Murphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,709
Received 1,578 Likes on 985 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bw993
Sounds like it's just atmospheric water condensation in the sump that occurs when you have a temperature differential with a warm engine that is run for very short intervals and then left in a cold environment overnight. Usually not an issue if it's a small amount of moisture, you just need to run the engine for extended period of time to get the oil to ~200 degrees (F) to dissipate the moisture.
^^ This. And what temps is your engine running at? It's possible that the temps aren't getting hot enough to vaporize the water, and its possible the crankcase isn't breathing enough. Like humans, engine breathe out a surprising amount of water when they operate. Water then gets into the oil through the piston rings and doesn't have an easy way to get out. The moisture can build up over time.

Oil change, analysis, and monitoring of water over time, longer running times, and an operating temperature check.
Old 02-18-2017, 11:29 AM
  #27  
pp000830
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
pp000830's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 9,593
Received 1,445 Likes on 1,018 Posts
Default

Selling oil:
Old 02-18-2017, 11:31 AM
  #28  
pp000830
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
pp000830's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 9,593
Received 1,445 Likes on 1,018 Posts
Default

Old 02-20-2017, 08:28 PM
  #29  
Gbos1
Rennlist Member
 
Gbos1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 3,562
Received 732 Likes on 521 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
Please show us where this is documented

AFAIK Porsche oil is repackaged Castrol Edge 10w-60
It fails on 2 counts
1) for 993 summer use 15w-40 or 15w-50 are the recommended summer weights(look in you owners manual)
2) ZDDP specs back in the mid '90's was ~1100ppm P & 1400ppm Zn, I know of no Castrol product that even comes close to those levels
Is this all Horse Sh*it?

https://www.pca.org/news/2015-03-12/...d-tech-tactics

http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessori.../motoroil-faq/
Old 02-20-2017, 08:57 PM
  #30  
OverBoosted28
Rennlist Member
 
OverBoosted28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Central California
Posts: 3,484
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Not sure on how much better (if any) that oil MAY be. Ya have known, proven results (for the most part), with the current handful. I'd stick with them, until the other is proven to be superior. Your engine doesn't need to be the guinea pig for Porsches marketing campaign.


Quick Reply: Condensation in 993 Engine



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:47 AM.