RIP 993, 1995 – 2016 she will be missed
08-01-2016, 03:54 PM
#32
Rennlist Member
Generally the policy cost is written on the value you place on the car. if you underestimate the value and want to pay less then your screwed if something happens. Always better to pay more upfront than suffer the hit on the back end
08-01-2016, 03:56 PM
#33
Three Wheelin'
So sorry to hear about this. I'd say be patient and find another 993. You'll find a way to cover the difference between the price of a future car and your insurance payout.
08-01-2016, 04:06 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
Not sure I understand. You stated ...I really thought this was the car I would spend the rest of my life with. but yet you went out in heavy rain at a track that has little if no run off in less than desirable conditions. If I felt that way about my car I would have stayed in the pits. As one professional racer put it nothing good happens in the rain. Would not have mattered if it was a 993 Cayman S etc Plamer is not a track that one would take chances in the rain. Sorry for your loss but the risk was certainly there and the you paid the price unfortunatley
Last edited by Mark in Baltimore; 08-01-2016 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Removed JPEG
08-01-2016, 05:17 PM
#36
Rennlist Member
Yes, "Discretion is the better part of valor". Sure, there is risk but you can't learn to drive in the rain while sitting in the pits. Rain teaches you to be smooth and heightens your awareness to the max. It's a great equalizer, too. Usually, high hp cars yield to low hp "momentum" vehicles. Driving home last night in a torrid thunderstorm, it made me (and my wife) appreciate skillsets learned on track.
08-01-2016, 10:05 PM
#37
Drifting
You had car for 5 years and got most out of it. At least, YOU pushed the limits, crashed and walked away. You didn't get rear ended by some minivan or a truck on a sunday drive.
Like they say, there are two kinds of people who track - those who have hit the wall and those who will hit it. Bummer about insurance, but buy another car...porsche or not (many great cars out there) and keep enjoying life with it and be thankful you are able to do that after a crash without, what looks like, any sort of additional safety equipment. Loosing control in dry at much higher speeds could have been much worse.
As far as driving in the rain on the track, it's fantastic learning opportunity. Yes, you have to dial it down and be smooth, but you learn very quickly what car does when you are not in much safer setting. Similar thing happened to me at Lightning. I pushed a bit too hard (on purpose as it's an open area), hit a puddle at the apex, saw that I was running out of track out, lifted to rotate...but didn't put gas down or counter steered quick enough, next thing I was going gardening backwards.
Like they say, there are two kinds of people who track - those who have hit the wall and those who will hit it. Bummer about insurance, but buy another car...porsche or not (many great cars out there) and keep enjoying life with it and be thankful you are able to do that after a crash without, what looks like, any sort of additional safety equipment. Loosing control in dry at much higher speeds could have been much worse.
As far as driving in the rain on the track, it's fantastic learning opportunity. Yes, you have to dial it down and be smooth, but you learn very quickly what car does when you are not in much safer setting. Similar thing happened to me at Lightning. I pushed a bit too hard (on purpose as it's an open area), hit a puddle at the apex, saw that I was running out of track out, lifted to rotate...but didn't put gas down or counter steered quick enough, next thing I was going gardening backwards.
08-01-2016, 10:08 PM
#38
Drifting
+1 and also insurance will reduce the pay out if you are underinsured by more than certain amount.
08-02-2016, 10:59 AM
#39
Rennlist Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Flyoverland - Central, Ohio
Posts: 3,212
Received 242 Likes
on
171 Posts
Nothing good happens after 2am...
Jenson Button may have a different view (2011 Canadian Grand Prix), but Vettel may agree. But neither of them pay for their rides or do the repairs...
But maybe a refined view: Nothing good happens after 2am or on a wet changing conditions track in advance (B, A, I / Red/Black) run groups.
To OP, thanks for sharing the story and history, as we can all feel for your loss and possibly learn from the experience. HPDE in the rain is a mixed blessing, great equalizer for machines, can be a great learning tool for driver smoothness, but can have major consequences over a dry track when it slightly goes wrong and conditions can change drastically from lap to lap.
Glad that you are ok, the rest is just money...
But maybe a refined view: Nothing good happens after 2am or on a wet changing conditions track in advance (B, A, I / Red/Black) run groups.
To OP, thanks for sharing the story and history, as we can all feel for your loss and possibly learn from the experience. HPDE in the rain is a mixed blessing, great equalizer for machines, can be a great learning tool for driver smoothness, but can have major consequences over a dry track when it slightly goes wrong and conditions can change drastically from lap to lap.
Glad that you are ok, the rest is just money...
08-02-2016, 03:56 PM
#40
Rennlist Member
Not sure I understand. You stated ...I really thought this was the car I would spend the rest of my life with. but yet you went out in heavy rain at a track that has little if no run off in less than desirable conditions. If I felt that way about my car I would have stayed in the pits. As one professional racer put it nothing good happens in the rain. Would not have mattered if it was a 993 Cayman S etc Plamer is not a track that one would take chances in the rain. Sorry for your loss but the risk was certainly there and the you paid the price unfortunatley
08-02-2016, 04:06 PM
#41
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Chicagoland Area
Posts: 26,142
Likes: 0
Received 5,388 Likes
on
2,509 Posts
You posted some beautiful pictures. Sorry to see the last few. Glad you're OK.
08-02-2016, 05:18 PM
#42
Instructor
Thread Starter
OP describes his 993 as a cherished possession and a part of the family. So why would it be on the track at all let alone on a wet track? I wondered about the contradiction of the original post - it was my first thought actually - why are you taking this kind of risk with the car you want to keep forever? Not much sympathy from me I'm afraid.
08-02-2016, 05:46 PM
#43
Drifting
Yes but as much as i enjoyed looking at my car in the garage, I enjoyed driving it on the limit even more. I thought I was taking calculated risks and counted on my generally above average luck in life so far to look out for me. I only DEd about twice a year on average for that reason. Anyways, it's done, leave and learn I guess.
08-02-2016, 06:17 PM
#45
Rennlist Member
For those relatively new to HPDE or those at the intermediate level, please do not even think of driving on track in the rain with "R Comp" tires. Most instructors, me included, will not go out in the wet with a student unless they have proper tires. If you must, full tread depth Toyo RA1's, Bridgestone RE71R's or similar, depending on conditions will be acceptable. That's one of the reasons we always stress staying on good street tires until you can benefit from dedicated track tires. When it rains, you can run when the so-called "hot shoes" have to sit it out.