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If your 993 is a daily driver and the "new" car would be also...I would painfully have to choose the 997. My 993 is not a DD...so every time I get in it for a drive, the "specialness" (is that a word?) of the car screams out...the look, feel, smell, etc...you all know what I mean. I don't know for sure, but I imagine if mine was a DD, this feeling might be diminished...and driving the car might become less of a "special occasion"...so getting rid of it might be less painful.
IMO...there is no question that a 997 would make a better DD than a 993...comfort, a/c, etc. Lastly, let me say that I am very sorry that you are facing this decision...I would VERY sad if I had to get rid of my car for ANY reason. Oh...one more thing...haven't driven one...but I expect a 997 TT with PDK would be a PRETTY FREAKIN NICE car to have to move to...
If your 993 is a daily driver and the "new" car would be also...I would painfully have to choose the 997. My 993 is not a DD...so every time I get in it for a drive, the "specialness" (is that a word?) of the car screams out...the look, feel, smell, etc...you all know what I mean. I don't know for sure, but I imagine if mine was a DD, this feeling might be diminished...and driving the car might become less of a "special occasion"...so getting rid of it might be less painful.
IMO...there is no question that a 997 would make a better DD than a 993...comfort, a/c, etc. Lastly, let me say that I am very sorry that you are facing this decision...I would VERY sad if I had to get rid of my car for ANY reason. Oh...one more thing...haven't driven one...but I expect a 997 TT with PDK would be a PRETTY FREAKIN NICE car to have to move to...
I have a large 4 door daily drive but when my 993 is running good like it is now and not in the shop for anything I'll drive it for months at a time without ever getting into my 4 door. If it's snowing I won't drive it and if I have to take the guys out for a night on the town and I'm driving I'll of course drive the 4 door.
This is what I'd hold out for now if I can afford it in 2-4 years. The 2011 Turbo S. I of course don't need a car like this but if I can swing it then, I will. LOVE the "S". Not sure about the yellow brakes and definitely not the red interior but the silver car with a black interior would be perfect. I've seen 11's for about $98k so I figure in 2-4 years the may come down to ... $75K maybe.
I haven't been excited about anything 911 related in years! I finally found a great solution. Interestingly enough, by not working out this past week and talking it easy both knees are feeling better so clutching isn't painful. I have finally found a reason though to be thrilled about moving "up" from my 993 if it ever becomes affordable.
The Turbo S is kind of like the affordable holy grail for me right now (in a few years that is). That also assumes they'll go down in price, which due to scarcity - who knows, maybe they'll level off at where the cheaper ones are now - $98k. Which would be out of my range.
Hell yes to this "rear". Not bad at all.
OBVIOUSLY I wouldn't get a red interior, this would be black.
Wow...that IS a nice car...ditto on the interior. I think yellow calipers would look good on a silver with black interior car. I think my knees are starting to hurt....
It has a bad car fax (accident of some sort shortly a year or so after purchase - the rear wing was replaced) and it has some wear on the driver seat bolster (I guess leather dye would fix this but I'm not 100% sure). $82k for a 2011 911 Turbo S. 2nd highest mileage one in the country at 53k miles. No warranty at all. Priced one at the dealer - 4 years, 50k miles for $10900. WOW! The "dealership" that had the car, could sell a warranty too (same FULL coverage with the same $100 deduct) 6 years/60 miles for $8100.
The tailpipes were filthy with black exhaust smoke. You'd think they'd try to buff that out with a metal cleaner or something. No maintenance reported on Carfax between 24k and 53K miles. Not sure what that means though.
It didn't seem totally loved and cared for and the wheels were REALLY dirty. Minor scratches on the door edges and some in the paint, not super bad though, just annoying to see.
I drove it. Only needed 10 minutes in it. It's so fast. Very odd sensation not to have to shift gears. It just seemed too easy to drive well. Too perfect in way, in a kind of good way. Not saying I didn't love it, it was just so different. It felt awesome. When I got back in my car, I loved it just as much.
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If I recall correctly, the yellow calipers are indication of PCCB (not sure if they were standard on S). While they may last very long time (absent track use), they cost a small fortune to replace. I would read up more on that point if you haven't done so already.
At one of the PCA events, a guy was telling that many customers order the PCCB option, then replace the ceramic rotors with steel ones, and either hold on to the rotors for when car is sold, or sell the rotors for 15-20k.
It didn't seem totally loved and cared for and the wheels were REALLY dirty. Minor scratches on the door edges and some in the paint, not super bad though, just annoying to see.
If these are things that can be fixed and brought up to your standards...not a big deal. But if not, it would be tough to have spent $82K and have to "live" with any issues. For me...an extra $10K spent up front to get a cleaner, better cared for car would make the long term ownership experience a whole better. Over the years...that $10K would seem minimal compared to having to see scratches, bolster wear, etc. on my otherwise supreme car...everytime I look at it.
+1 on what NYC993 said about the PCCB brakes...if they last the life of the car...not a biggy...but to lay out $15K for new brakes at some point would not be cool...at all
The tailpipes were filthy with black exhaust smoke. You'd think they'd try to buff that out with a metal cleaner or something.
Welcome to the world of DI engines. Some burn oil like crazy and others don't. There is debate always with DI engines and I own one from BMW. It is not a keeper like the power plants of the old but it's just my opinion.
Welcome to the world of DI engines. Some burn oil like crazy and others don't. There is debate always with DI engines and I own one from BMW. It is not a keeper like the power plants of the old but it's just my opinion.
DI... had to google it. Direct Injection. Not even sure what that means but the 2011 was VERY NICE, but so is my current car for $50k less. Will take a lot of thought and time on this decision. 3.1 seconds 0-60 though. That is wild. I know... who really needs that? Well, I don't but it sure would be cool (as in a Toy's R Us kind of kid way).
3.1 seconds 0-60 though. That is wild. I know... who really needs that?
It's just one of those things that is nice to have when you need it. In the .00000000000001% of the time you do. But it sure was nice on the trip to Phoenix two weeks ago when I decided to take the High Desert route. Probably passed 60-70 vehicles on the two lane sections, going from 50-65 to (redacted). Near instantly. If I were in the 4S? Would have had to be more measured, no question.
Your side by side pix say it all for me......but that's just my admittedly biased opinion.
Speaking of, get a second one on the TKR?
Something is way wrong if you are in that kind of pain, likely get worse and will NOT fix itself.
This from the King of Denial.
i just bought an 07 Turbo.
thus far, I like it a LOT, but probably not more than my 993.
unless you need large doses of turbo TQ, buy a 993 tippy.
it's lighter, more agile, you'll feel more "connected", blah blah blah....
i have not read this entire thread, but if you are looking at S turbos, you should be able to buy an 09 PDK car which is a FAT step up from 07 / 08 Tips.
My knees are not great either, which means I need to get into a 997 RS while I can still clutch.
Good luck!
i just bought an 07 Turbo.
thus far, I like it a LOT, but probably not more than my 993.
unless you need large doses of turbo TQ, buy a 993 tippy.
it's lighter, more agile, you'll feel more "connected", blah blah blah....
i have not read this entire thread, but if you are looking at S turbos, you should be able to buy an 09 PDK car which is a FAT step up from 07 / 08 Tips.
My knees are not great either, which means I need to get into a 997 RS while I can still clutch.
Good luck!
Thanks for your information on this topic!
I believe the only PDK 997 Turbos started in 2010 model year and the PDK Turbo S's started in 2011.
It's a bit OT but one things positive about the 997.1 TT is they are still running the famous Metzger block, it would be the last TTs with this setup before moving onto DI.
PCCBs are suppose to last a really long time with very little maintenance (no braked dust too!), now keep in mind this would be for regular street use which is your intended usage I'm assuming. I've heard easily in the 70-80K miles, of course this could vary based on drivers too. The problem comes arises is they aren't good for track use, very high chances of cracking etc.
For DD use hands down I would go with the 997TT. It's going to be more reliable, comfortable, AWD for all weather conditions etc too. You really can't go wrong and as much as I'm a die hard 993 fan, the 997 WB TT is one impressive looking beast!
You should try driving some 997s in manual, the clutch is lighter and might be much easier on your knee too.
All I can say for you is that I really enjoy my '98 993 cabriolet auto. I work at a dealer and get to be in, around and drive a little something of everything Porsche sells. I bought it as a concession for the wife who really doesn't like the early generation 911's with the pedals pivoting from the floor. Granted it doesn't have the vim and vigor of a clutch, shifting is a little odd at times, but it drives great, has all of the 911 flat 6 feel and sound. The reality is I'm not at the track all the time, the car does road trips up the coast from time to time and lives primary in town. It is a very practical car (if anyone can ever rationalize a Porsche in that manner) for what we use it for. And with the transmission that Porsche uses in that car (near bulletproof), with normal mainti
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Oh...one more thing...haven't driven one...but I expect a 997 TT with PDK would be a PRETTY FREAKIN NICE car to have to move to...
