96redLT4

I read, I think on the GT forum, that the clearance of the rear lowest point on the new car is 88mm.

J

96redLT4

Curious to know from an owner how much the wing impedes rearward vision?

J

Drifting

I've gotten used to it. At first it really bothered me, as i routinely scan my six for cops. You can actually still see a lot behind you, just the center 25% of the rear view is blocked for cars a mile behind you (like a cop). You can see closer cars without a problem.
After two years it's less of an issue than it used to be as I lean on my radar detector, and I now take a little extra time to check my rear view, side mirror, and blind spot before changing lanes, but I've adjusted, even in heavy CA traffic.

Drove a friends 991.2 C2S for a day last week, expecting to be relieved to have full rear view vision again, and I didn't care as much as I thought I would.
That day I just really missed my PDK-S, motorsport suspension, RWS, linear NA throttle, low gearing, and the song of the GT3 engine.

There are hassles to daily driving the GT3. Interior isn't quiet, less rear visibility, ground clearance issues, and extra attention from cops.

But everything else about the GT3 makes it worth it, IMHO.

96redLT4

Great input. Thanks! I have always appreciated on my 997.1 C2S with the deployable spoiler and my GTS with the duck that they have completely hidden the spoiler when looking in the rearview mirror. I would think there are some safety concerns, the more it is blocked.

Jim

autobahnA8

You notice the wing for sure in your rearview. But who cares? it does a great job blocking headlights from cars behind you. Better than any auto dimming mirror.

ive gone thru a few front lips (yes I have front axel lift). But they are easy and cheap to change. Ground clearance really isn't a big issue, but as drifting noted you definitely become more self aware for potholes and approaches into and out of parking lots.

gt3 is very special compared to the rest. Totally worth it if within your means.

Ed911.2

Having just watched the DriveTribe review, done in the GT3 with one of the Porsche engineers, I have to say it looks like a fantastic machine. The obvious enthusiasm from the factory and the level of detail they’d gone down to was astounding but they still claimed it was a quite different car from the 991R.

For me, as a non-trackday person, I admire it but I think I would find it a bit too hardcore for 100% road and daily driving, so would be happy with a GTS. There’s a lot of negative comment from elsewhere about how there are so many 911 models and specs but that’s the genius of the Porsche guys: there’s something for everyone in the range and they sell them all...

PantsFire

For me having a slightly restricted view out the back is less of an issue than the aesthetic of the car, I've always liked the classic Porsche lines to the rear over any duck-tail or wing. It's why I immediately fell for the 911R, it looks a like a modern version of a classic Porsche in the Singer mould

Jeff4598

I would not hold my breath. This is a car company that lives by holding back choice (and progress). Why should customers have to wait for a new model iteration to get PDK shift paddles and another changeover to have the PDK shifter move in the direction that most people agree is correct? As an M3 owner and prospective 911 owner I can tell you that software updates on my M3 have been very nice to have. My understanding is that the improvement in steering on the 991.2 is a software change and that the upgrade cannot even be PURCHASED for a 991.1. Is this from a problem admitting mistakes, a perverse method of making the cars feel "special" or just a way to induce customers to "upgrade" to the latest model/

NoGaBiker

You mean like this?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Sing...w=1280&bih=918

Pretty much every Singer made has at least a short version of the ducktail .

Zonian

Yep. Wide body, .2 GT3 drivetrain /manual. Scrap the wing, diffuser and track suspension. No sunroof, Fuchs wheels, graphite grey, Pepita seat centers, no badging, more delete options. Is that asking too much?

PantsFire

I accept the Singers do have a (tiny) tail, but a tiny one that doesn't ruin the line, unlike the current one IMO.

M Fig

There is a great deal of discussion in this thread about the wing...which in my opinion is an easy fix in the aftermarket. Buy the GT3 w/ 6pd, all other options you want, then get a replacement rear deck lid that has a ducktail or whatever you want. Then you have the original wing you could add back for track days or whatever...just swap out the deck lids.

The real problem is the rear seating. As others have mentioned on here, I have children that love riding in my car. I also really enjoy going for rides with them...it would be a tough decision to not have that option. I'm assuming that with seat belts and everything that goes into the safety part, there would be no way to add rear seats to a car?

These creative tech shops that you see on TV remodeling cars seem to do a lot of customizing. Couldn't you buy the seats, belts and all internals out of a wrecked 991 and then have some customizing shop add them?

008

Rear seats have been added to GT3s successfully but the other issue that inevitably comes up is liability/negligence. What happens in a wreck if a rear occupant is injured?

It's ridiculous that Porsche doesn't at least offer it as an option. The space is there unlike other true 2 seaters. Ford now offers it as an option on the 350R.

Chris C.

Fore sure. I'd get one in Agate and tell the wife my C2S was detailed and got new exhaust

kwikit356

I also noticed the improved steering feel on the 991.2 I drove. Given that aftermarket tuners have been able to make programming improvements to PASM with the DSC Controller, to ECU fuel+ mapping with the Cobb AP, and more recently changes and upgrades to the PDK transmission ECU from a company in Europe, it does seem a little strange that we have heard nothing about anyone in the aftermarket making steering ECU software changes/upgrades to the 991.1.

The only steering improvements I've been able to make so far to my 991.1 GTS coupe are as follows: DSC PASM Controller, but without Larry Cable's finer adjustments so far; TPC's adjustable stabilizer bars, front and rear, with a change to Pegasus front heim joints (better and more robust than the cheaper skinny ones supplied by TPC); alignment of front camber to max negative within the capacity of the OEM front suspension. The overall "feel" of the front of the car is significantly better, in the sense that turn-in response seems quicker and more natural, but the new stabilizer bars do make the ride tauter, even in comfort mode. BTW, if I recall correctly, most DSC reports indicate that the comfort mode is a little softer than OEM, so I'm guessing that the aftermarket adjustable stabilizer bars are the "tauter" factor in the two-part DSC/TPC Bars modification.

Still, even with the above downstream changes to the steering set-up, steering ECU software remains the key to solving the 991.1 problem. Surely there are some really smart people in the Porsche aftermarket who can figure out how to make this happen.