Lord, is the 991.2 a fast car!
10-06-2016, 08:32 PM
#46
I'm fairly certain the .2S is a beast in the twisty bits and canyon roads where 99% of the performance miles get put on most Porsche sports cars, and will run up there with the .1 GT cars.
And heat soak didn't seem to be a problem on the Ring.
10-06-2016, 09:13 PM
#47
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lotta people here don't know willow springs
this is a horsepower track bottom line. it's REALLY fast. and you need REALLY big ***** to go fast there. It's not a technical track, it warrants horsepower and grip over agility.
Also, would want to know when the tests were run on the .2 vs. turbo vs. gt3. Willow gets very windy and scary as FK in turn 8-9 in the afternoons, especially in the summer. Plus, it can be 120 there in summer...
Those differences along can mean seconds in lap times there.
anyway, car is clearly very fast, just hard to call it an apples:apples if the tests weren't all run on the same day.
To add some comparos: POC runs at big willow a lot. There is a driver of a 991 cup car that is in the 1:23 range. Sometimes you see guys around 120 flat...
Goes to show you how fast these street cars are.
this is a horsepower track bottom line. it's REALLY fast. and you need REALLY big ***** to go fast there. It's not a technical track, it warrants horsepower and grip over agility.
Also, would want to know when the tests were run on the .2 vs. turbo vs. gt3. Willow gets very windy and scary as FK in turn 8-9 in the afternoons, especially in the summer. Plus, it can be 120 there in summer...
Those differences along can mean seconds in lap times there.
anyway, car is clearly very fast, just hard to call it an apples:apples if the tests weren't all run on the same day.
To add some comparos: POC runs at big willow a lot. There is a driver of a 991 cup car that is in the 1:23 range. Sometimes you see guys around 120 flat...
Goes to show you how fast these street cars are.
10-06-2016, 10:37 PM
#48
Porsche's main focus from a marketing perspective is to make each new gen faster. The way the industry is going,I don't see how they could come out with a car that has the same power levels as the old gen and be just as fast or even slower. I personally could care less about their numbers and power levels,all I care is how I feel when I get behind the wheel. If I like it then it's mine. I've had it with fast fast fast...fast until what point? The limit has been pretty much reached or close to it. On the street at least...it's where these cars spend most of their time. So why do we buy into " fast "? Pure marketing is why...
It's the same reason why cars that try to use a healthy concept from the driver's perspective like the Cayman GT4 or 911R will continue to win awards,because a good car is not only about " fast ".
It's the same reason why cars that try to use a healthy concept from the driver's perspective like the Cayman GT4 or 911R will continue to win awards,because a good car is not only about " fast ".
10-06-2016, 10:42 PM
#49
For some people, how fast a car goes is part of what puts a smile on their face. And the idea that the HP and torque of the .2 isn't usable on the street is nonsense. We're not talking about a 918 here. I'd have more fun in a 500hp 911 than I would in a 400hp 911, particularly if the latter had more usable torque. I'm not a fan of FI, but I'm honest enough to admit that these new cars are pretty awesome.
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10-06-2016, 10:57 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
Everyone has a sweet spot for what is important in a sports car. My 991.2 really hit that spot for me. I think there was a big jump between the 991.1 and the 991.2 due to the turbo power and all that low end torque. Now will be back to incremental improvements until the hybrid 911 hits the market. Then the low end torque will be even more. Curious to see what the weight of a hybrid 911 will be. For now I am really happy with my 911. Fast and handles like a dream So much fun on the back roads.
10-06-2016, 11:09 PM
#51
Id almost say it's a grip and aero track. 3,4,5,6 is technical. Know some pretty low horsepower cars that fly there. Look at Jack Olsen. 270hp - 1:26 now Know some s2k down there. Think jack only hits 130s on the straight
lotta people here don't know willow springs
this is a horsepower track bottom line. it's REALLY fast. and you need REALLY big ***** to go fast there. It's not a technical track, it warrants horsepower and grip over agility.
Also, would want to know when the tests were run on the .2 vs. turbo vs. gt3. Willow gets very windy and scary as FK in turn 8-9 in the afternoons, especially in the summer. Plus, it can be 120 there in summer...
Those differences along can mean seconds in lap times there.
anyway, car is clearly very fast, just hard to call it an apples:apples if the tests weren't all run on the same day.
To add some comparos: POC runs at big willow a lot. There is a driver of a 991 cup car that is in the 1:23 range. Sometimes you see guys around 120 flat...
Goes to show you how fast these street cars are.
this is a horsepower track bottom line. it's REALLY fast. and you need REALLY big ***** to go fast there. It's not a technical track, it warrants horsepower and grip over agility.
Also, would want to know when the tests were run on the .2 vs. turbo vs. gt3. Willow gets very windy and scary as FK in turn 8-9 in the afternoons, especially in the summer. Plus, it can be 120 there in summer...
Those differences along can mean seconds in lap times there.
anyway, car is clearly very fast, just hard to call it an apples:apples if the tests weren't all run on the same day.
To add some comparos: POC runs at big willow a lot. There is a driver of a 991 cup car that is in the 1:23 range. Sometimes you see guys around 120 flat...
Goes to show you how fast these street cars are.
10-06-2016, 11:16 PM
#52
For those that equate speed with fun, the 991.2 is a sweet step forward.
I however was thoroughly disappointed with the non-PSE base that I test drove and how quiet it seemed, so much so that I cut the test drive short and bought a 991.1 GTS sight unseen.
Full disclosure: I've always lusted for a large displacement NA motor and got my fix. The wide hips on the GTS and sweet discount, the icing on a perfect Porsche cake.
Speed and efficiency go to the .2
Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
I however was thoroughly disappointed with the non-PSE base that I test drove and how quiet it seemed, so much so that I cut the test drive short and bought a 991.1 GTS sight unseen.
Full disclosure: I've always lusted for a large displacement NA motor and got my fix. The wide hips on the GTS and sweet discount, the icing on a perfect Porsche cake.
Speed and efficiency go to the .2
Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
10-06-2016, 11:24 PM
#53
For those that equate speed with fun, the 991.2 is a sweet step forward. I however was thoroughly disappointed with the non-PSE base that I test drove and how quiet it seemed, so much so that I cut the test drive short and bought a 991.1 GTS sight unseen. Full disclosure: I've always lusted for a large displacement NA motor and got my fix. The wide hips on the GTS and sweet discount, the icing on a perfect Porsche cake. Speed and efficiency go to the .2 Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
Speed and efficiency go to the .2 Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
10-07-2016, 12:37 AM
#54
I'm blowed away by how much speed they manage out of the 3.0 every time I see one of these.
On the other hand, I'm relieved that the faster/quieter car doesn't really have any draw for me so I'm not tempted to spend monies I really should save for adulting on it.
If the 911R were easy to get, I'd be screwed.
On the other hand, I'm relieved that the faster/quieter car doesn't really have any draw for me so I'm not tempted to spend monies I really should save for adulting on it.
If the 911R were easy to get, I'd be screwed.
10-07-2016, 12:45 AM
#55
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His car is LIGHT with that power. The tech sections are like 1/4 the track distance. And yes aero does make a difference. But this track rewards horsepower more than any other track in ca other than auto club.
10-07-2016, 08:54 AM
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For those that equate speed with fun, the 991.2 is a sweet step forward.
I however was thoroughly disappointed with the non-PSE base that I test drove and how quiet it seemed, so much so that I cut the test drive short and bought a 991.1 GTS sight unseen.
Full disclosure: I've always lusted for a large displacement NA motor and got my fix. The wide hips on the GTS and sweet discount, the icing on a perfect Porsche cake.
Speed and efficiency go to the .2
Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
I however was thoroughly disappointed with the non-PSE base that I test drove and how quiet it seemed, so much so that I cut the test drive short and bought a 991.1 GTS sight unseen.
Full disclosure: I've always lusted for a large displacement NA motor and got my fix. The wide hips on the GTS and sweet discount, the icing on a perfect Porsche cake.
Speed and efficiency go to the .2
Theatrics, induction/exhaust sound and linear acceleration .1 all day long...
10-07-2016, 09:11 AM
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10-07-2016, 09:36 AM
#58
Drifting
The .2 is a good car, but I am not going to rush out and trade my 991 GTS for one. People can say I'm in denial or whatever else they want to say, but I wouldn't trade even dollars for one. 
10-07-2016, 10:27 AM
#59
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There isn't enough there to pull me out either. There might be a good argument with the standard base model 991.1 vs 991.2 although.
10-07-2016, 11:51 AM
#60
Burning Brakes
I would not jump from a 991.1 GTS to a 991.2 either, but I just happened to get serious about buying a 911 right when the 991.2 was announced. Placed an order in October of 2015 and did not get the car until May 2016.
