New episode of MotorTrend Ignition (991.2 base)
07-20-2016, 06:46 PM
#16
Front page news!
Figured the front page crowd would be interested as well...
https://rennlist.com/articles/2017-p...rera-analysis/
https://rennlist.com/articles/2017-p...rera-analysis/
07-20-2016, 08:43 PM
#17
But what do I know?
I just have 5Kmiles on my 991.2 C4S PDK, SC on and off Track.
The thing is a 'beast'.
So find me an objectively measured test that show the 'turbo lag' and i will believe you.-Richard
07-20-2016, 09:54 PM
#18
I don't think there is any objectively measured turbo-lag in the 991.2!
But what do I know?
I just have 5Kmiles on my 991.2 C4S PDK, SC on and off Track.
The thing is a 'beast'.
So find me an objectively measured test that show the 'turbo lag' and i will believe you.-Richard
But what do I know?
I just have 5Kmiles on my 991.2 C4S PDK, SC on and off Track.
The thing is a 'beast'.
So find me an objectively measured test that show the 'turbo lag' and i will believe you.-Richard
I'm not saying it's not a beast and I'm not saying it's an old times laggy turbo. I'm saying it doesn't have the same throttle response as a naturally aspirated car. A number of reviewers have commented on this and he actually tested it.
07-20-2016, 10:11 PM
#19
It's incredible how they keep pushing the envelope of performance in the lower 911 trims. The 991.2 4S w/ PDK can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...-4s/#techspecs
07-21-2016, 04:49 AM
#20
Find me an 'objective test', not someones opinion.
When doing a 'subjective' evaluation, one often finds that ones expectations are met.
I cannot discern any turbo lag, the thing just goes.
On Road, a 1/4 to at most, 1/2 throttle is sufficient, other wise you are in the +100mph range very quickly.
The 'Push to Pass" button is just not required on Road, I have only used it once, to try it out and on Track i am in S+.
With the windows open, sometimes i think I can 'hear' a wisp of Turbo but that does not correlate to any lag in the throttle.-Richard
When doing a 'subjective' evaluation, one often finds that ones expectations are met.
I cannot discern any turbo lag, the thing just goes.
On Road, a 1/4 to at most, 1/2 throttle is sufficient, other wise you are in the +100mph range very quickly.
The 'Push to Pass" button is just not required on Road, I have only used it once, to try it out and on Track i am in S+.
With the windows open, sometimes i think I can 'hear' a wisp of Turbo but that does not correlate to any lag in the throttle.-Richard
07-21-2016, 08:26 AM
#21
Find me an 'objective test', not someones opinion.
When doing a 'subjective' evaluation, one often finds that ones expectations are met.
I cannot discern any turbo lag, the thing just goes.
On Road, a 1/4 to at most, 1/2 throttle is sufficient, other wise you are in the +100mph range very quickly.
The 'Push to Pass" button is just not required on Road, I have only used it once, to try it out and on Track i am in S+.
With the windows open, sometimes i think I can 'hear' a wisp of Turbo but that does not correlate to any lag in the throttle.-Richard
When doing a 'subjective' evaluation, one often finds that ones expectations are met.
I cannot discern any turbo lag, the thing just goes.
On Road, a 1/4 to at most, 1/2 throttle is sufficient, other wise you are in the +100mph range very quickly.
The 'Push to Pass" button is just not required on Road, I have only used it once, to try it out and on Track i am in S+.
With the windows open, sometimes i think I can 'hear' a wisp of Turbo but that does not correlate to any lag in the throttle.-Richard
on the track, the test driver said bc things were up in the rev range (and the turbos were always spooled up) it was less of an issue. but the chart pretty much says it all. to get the turbos up in revolutions, you need time.. even if its seconds, you can't engineer it away...
07-21-2016, 10:17 AM
#22
um, this video had an objective chart that showed turbo lag, did you watch it?
on the track, the test driver said bc things were up in the rev range (and the turbos were always spooled up) it was less of an issue. but the chart pretty much says it all. to get the turbos up in revolutions, you need time.. even if its seconds, you can't engineer it away...
on the track, the test driver said bc things were up in the rev range (and the turbos were always spooled up) it was less of an issue. but the chart pretty much says it all. to get the turbos up in revolutions, you need time.. even if its seconds, you can't engineer it away...
07-21-2016, 10:58 AM
#23
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No comparison between 991.2 and F80 M3. I own both. The F80 is definitely noticeable while the 991.2 is not. Ive never understood the comparisons of a 65k 4 door sedan (M3) and a 100k plus GT car. I just dont put these two cars in the same category.
07-21-2016, 11:07 AM
#24
I too own an F80 M3 and a 991.1 GTS. I don't sense any turbo lag in the M3, but I'm just a normal driver and never track. What I can't stand in the M3 is the sound...it's not bad but it's not a NA sound for sure. I smile every time I rev the GTS. We also have a 958.2 Cayenne GTS in the household. I can feel lots of turbo lag in the Cayenne and it's very annoying. I haven't test driven the 991.2 yet but would imagine that I wouldn't be able to feel whatever turbo lag that exists on that car. I was in the market in May for a 991 and decided on a new '16 991.1 GTS...couldn't go wrong.
07-21-2016, 11:23 AM
#25
Some may feel the lag and some may not. I felt a lag, but I am used to the ultra responsive 3.4 991.1 base. If one doesn't feel the lag consider yourself lucky and enjoy the 991.2.
07-21-2016, 02:59 PM
#26
it flatters the M3 to be in that company. it's that good a car. i had an e92 m3 before my GTS. it was a joy. i assume MANY cross owners
07-21-2016, 03:18 PM
#27
Burning Brakes
I have had both the 991.1 C2S and now 991.2 C2S. There is no discernible turbo lag. Performance wise, the .2 is far superior and is in another league, period. No if's and buts, just superior. Those that don't like the sound, buy a Corvette. Nothing equals the sound and roar of a loud V8.
This question is getting monotonous. Is the .1 better than .2? The only people that prefer the .1 are those that don't have a .2 .......yet. Get over it. You had the best and now you don't. That's progress!
This question is getting monotonous. Is the .1 better than .2? The only people that prefer the .1 are those that don't have a .2 .......yet. Get over it. You had the best and now you don't. That's progress!
07-21-2016, 03:41 PM
#28
I have had both the 991.1 C2S and now 991.2 C2S. There is no discernible turbo lag. Performance wise, the .2 is far superior and is in another league, period. No if's and buts, just superior. Those that don't like the sound, buy a Corvette. Nothing equals the sound and roar of a loud V8.
This question is getting monotonous. Is the .1 better than .2? The only people that prefer the .1 are those that don't have a .2 .......yet. Get over it. You had the best and now you don't. That's progress!
This question is getting monotonous. Is the .1 better than .2? The only people that prefer the .1 are those that don't have a .2 .......yet. Get over it. You had the best and now you don't. That's progress!
07-21-2016, 05:15 PM
#30
Burning Brakes