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Old 07-25-2016, 08:47 AM   #16
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You can see the difference between the factory PSE and full Fabspeed Valvetronic Exhaust System below.



Resale: Our systems are made of the finest T304L Stainless Steel that we expect to outlast the life of the car in the event you sell the vehicle. In specializing in Porsche sound and performance for near 25 years, Fabspeed is well-known and respected across the Porsche community. In the event you sell the car there would be little effect on the resale value, if not a little bit more enticing to the buyer who wants a valvetronic option on the car anyway haha.


Showing a used PSE exhaust and a new Fabspeed one? I've seen used pics of yours, and would say the PSE "ages" better. As far as exhaust tips, I've never seen any that are the quality of the OEM ones.

Not knocking your exhaust, but any aftermarket changes to a Porsche are almost always a negative at resale. I'd say 99% of the time. You could say, keep your original parts and convert back to OEM if you desire at resale.
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Showing a used PSE exhaust and a new Fabspeed one? I've seen used pics of yours, and would say the PSE "ages" better. As far as exhaust tips, I've never seen any that are the quality of the OEM ones.

Not knocking your exhaust, but any aftermarket changes to a Porsche are almost always a negative at resale. I'd say 99% of the time. You could say, keep your original parts and convert back to OEM if you desire at resale.
That factory system had less than 1000 miles on it when it was taken off the car. We weren't going to buy a brand new factory system to compare pictures without heat cycling, nor removing the system back off the car after the customer drove it around for a few days haha. Ours will turn a nice golden tinge as the pipes go through it's heat cycling process after installation.

I believe that would all depend on what kind of buyer you are looking for. There is a much larger percentage than 1% of petrolheads out there that would see an upgraded exhaust as a positive and something they won't have to spend additional money on down the line.
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Old 07-26-2016, 12:39 AM   #18
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Local Porsche Service Dept told me today that dealer PSE installs on 991.2 models not PSE factory equipped would not be available for another 6 months and the system (parts only) would be over $3300. Does anyone have any additional (or contrary info) on this? Thanks!
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:55 AM   #19
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Local Porsche Service Dept told me today that dealer PSE installs on 991.2 models not PSE factory equipped would not be available for another 6 months and the system (parts only) would be over $3300. Does anyone have any additional (or contrary info) on this? Thanks!
Suncoast's pricing does seem pretty high at this point. Likely because you need a new valance in the back because of the center tips, driving up the cost over the .1

http://www.suncoastparts.com/product/SKUPSE992.html
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Old 07-27-2016, 02:43 AM   #20
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Lots of reasons. Mostly personal choice. For me:

Warranty
Fit & finish
No drone
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No power & torque loss
Kinda what he said...but most of it is going to come down to personal choice. That said resale is much better with PSE versus most aftermarket minus a few. Akrapovic and Cargraphic, Amytrix and 1 or two others seem to hold their resale value but that should be at their cost (also why I went with my Akra eventually). Warranty isn't much of an issue. Fit and finish can be a big one as can be drone and sound. Heard quite a few folks have problems with fit of tips and alignment on some aftermarket systems and drone and sound can be a bit much on others. AWE for example is a great system for the cost but is loud as heck and to some drivers that takes away from the car. As for power/torque losses and claims...I don't think many who make the claim actually do so (Fabspeed for one regularly does and posts Dyno numbers that claim back them up...some dispute those too)! Honestly to produce enough of a change that one would really notice you would have to has such a level of driving skill and familiarity with these cars (i.e. factory or race driver mostly) that otherwise the regular owner just doesn't have that sufficient skill level or unique familiarity with these cars to do so unless our last name is Rohl or Schumacher!

Pricing? I just had PSE console control/switch and vacuum lines retrofitted to my car to control the Akra Ti system and parts were about $600 (used the parts list from 6speed and circulating on Rennlist) and then labor was another 6.5-8.0hr at the normal Porsche labor rate (I was able to negotiate a PCA discount applied to both labor and parts which helped). Good luck.

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Old 09-09-2016, 07:32 PM   #21
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What did you guys pay for install?

Suncoast is shipping my PSE. Should arrive late next week.

My rig is a c4s.

Dealer and indy (says they can reprogram centre console switch) shop have quoted $850
Other dealer in town is at $750.

If it's pretty much plug and play isn't that kinda high?
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What did you guys pay for install?

Suncoast is shipping my PSE. Should arrive late next week.

My rig is a c4s.

Dealer and indy (says they can reprogram centre console switch) shop have quoted $850
Other dealer in town is at $750.

If it's pretty much plug and play isn't that kinda high?
I asked for quotes from 2 dealers in my area: $708 and $800
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Make sure they install the new exhaust tips too!
are you referring to base 991?
On the S, the tips on cars with PSE and without PSE are the same, or am I wrong?
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are you referring to base 991?
On the S, the tips on cars with PSE and without PSE are the same, or am I wrong?
They look very similar, but not the same. They don't fit perfectly.
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I asked for quotes from 2 dealers in my area: $708 and $800
Go for it...mine cost about $950+tax to do (labor and install). Only difference was i had them swap in an Akrapovic exhaust instead of buying and going with the PSE. Same mechanically but much better sound, look, and weight savings as well as investment value!
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They look very similar, but not the same. They don't fit perfectly.
I think the PSE set that Suncoast sells for the S does not include the tips...
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I think the PSE set that Suncoast sells for the S does not include the tips...
I believe it does (99.999% sure). A complete PSE system. The OEM PSE kit comes with tips. Suncoast is good about stuff like that.
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I believe it does (99.999% sure). A complete PSE system. The OEM PSE kit comes with tips. Suncoast is good about stuff like that.
Thanks, I'll double check with them tomorrow.
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I believe it does (99.999% sure). A complete PSE system. The OEM PSE kit comes with tips. Suncoast is good about stuff like that.
It does. Roughly half the cost of the kit is the tips. You can buy the rest of the kit parts a la carte for about $1,300.
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Ordered two days ago from Suncoast. Spoke with them yesterday to confirm what all comes with it, for install estimates. Tips are included.
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