KeysToHappiness

Hi all, recently picked up my 991.2 Carrera S MT. First can I say even living in a city, I have no regrets spec'ing the manual. Your choice of gear! (Oh and noise). Whilst I have driven others, unfortunately this hasn't included manuals. Here in Australia they like their pdk's. Do I agree with the long gears..... Not really, the car is designed with a high speed in mind. Therefore for our average roads and people who want to keep their licences, I agree you don't really run the car out. I love the 2nd and 3rd with plenty of pick up to overtake cars quickly. Sports rev matching I thought would be annoying but actually makes light work of 'setting up' your next move. Gearbox is smooth and very short shift (noting previous comment about manuals in AUS). Auto hold on hills is nice, but this is if you stay in gear and I prefer not to sit in gear holding the clutch in. Auto restart if you stalk it is a bonus and auto on/off I have dealt with using 'Individual' mode setting. My 'Individual' includes auto on/off and sports exhaust for daily driving. I think I covered most of the points raised thus far. I'll await the response and I'm sure they will include 'photos' lol. Cheers JJ

Mechanic

Let's pray this thread doesn't go off of the PDK/MT debate for some reason.

I'm interested in where the clutch pedal takes up. I drove a new 2016 991.1 CS and a new 2016 Boxster S last December when I was trying to decide which I preferred, and I remember noticing the clutch engaged in both cars late in the stroke rather than within the first couple of inches of lifting the pedal. Initially, this seemed a bit odd and different from most cars I've driven with manual transmissions, and certainly different from older Porsches. If any owners of 991.2s or potential owners can comment on their experiences with the new clutch engagement, I'd appreciate it. I'll drive one when I can, but there are none available now.

KeysToHappiness

I definitely wouldn't have thought it was as late as 'a couple of inches'. I think engagement is low, short range and a light pedal IMO

stephen k

I've driven a base .2 carrera and thought that the clutch wasn't far different than on the 991.1 although the ride was for a short 2 mile drive and I did not drive them back to back; days within each other. Two things I did notice were that the clutch did seem a touch softer and that the clutch seemed to have a shorter distance from the idle position to all the way down. From my short drive I couldn't determine if the shifter was any different. I didn't really walk away preferring one or the other I believe they're both excellent manuals and have come a long way towards being user friendly from my beloved 997 S.

Stephen

Stil_1

The 991.1 7MT didn't have Hill hold feature? In the PDK it did, wasn't sure there was a difference between the manual and PDK as I would think the manual benefits more from that feature.

Joec500

I have a 7MT 991.1 and it does have hill hold. I live in San Francisco, I should know

Stil_1

ok that's what I thought whew. Maybe carsnob was referencing a non 991 model car.

Cristophosphorus

+1, we have hill hold. It's more of a nuisance 90% of the time, though, as it releases way too late IMO (which makes for a newbie-like getaway).

jimbo1111

Yes, it releases too late for my driving syle as well. Good news is that the engine restarts if you stall with the hill assist. Happened to me a few times and the engine restarts on its own. No need to go to the ignition.

Cristophosphorus

True. That brings back horrible memories! My '13 C2S was my first manual car, but the first 2-3 times I actually stalled the car were due to hill assist. What caught me off-guard was, like you just said, the auto-restart. Really tripped me out in the middle of downtown LA traffic.

jimbo1111

It restarts so fast that the embarrassment is not an issue. Lol

pfan

I'm curious if the HH feature and release point is software adjustable? Has anyone had their dealer look into it?

jimbo1111

It's a nanny for those who aren't affluent in the art of driving a clutch. For those that are it's a nuisance. How does a program judge who is behind the wheel? It has a standard setting, basically a one size fits all. I think the engineering crew should device a program for backward momentum braking. Unless your in reverse the brake is applied. Much better I believe.

freeman

I have owned 3 911s without HH that I have driven in SF comfortably. I now own a 2015 991 GTS MT with HH that is a PIA and I live in Florida. Is there no way to disable this?

ATLBond

I took delivery of my MT 991.2 C2S on Mar 15. I have 700 miles on the ODO and this is my first Porsche and first 7 speed MT. I grew up driving 5 speed MT's. The experience with 7 speed is a little frustrating in that I am still learning to choose the right gear when downshifting. Maybe with time and more miles I'll get it right.

In Normal mode the acceleration is like a drawing a slingshot and firing it; low torque until you hit about 2k RPM and serious neck snapping torque & acceleration thereafter. In Sport and Sport Plus mode, the engine idle RPM is higher, keeps the turbo spooled little bit and the slingshot effect is less noticeable. Don't know if the linearity of acceleration / torque delivery any different with PDK.