991.2 GTS'es are coming as 2017 MY, 3.0L tt
04-10-2016, 03:02 PM
#61
Drifting
Nope, you had a 1999, 2000, or 2001 996 with the only engine available in the Carrera, the 3.4/300-ish hp. There was no S model and no other Carrera engine option. In MY2002 the 996.2 was released with the 3.6/325 motor. In 200? the Carrera 4S was released as the only Carrera S, and it offered Turbo wide-body and some mechanical bits, but still had the same 3.6 as the narrowbody, non-S Carreras. This was a carryover from the 993 "S" models, Carrera 4S and Carrera 2S, which were Turbo-look but had no difference in the motor.
04-10-2016, 08:02 PM
#62
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I spend most of my time in the 991 GT3,RS, and R forum but took a stroll in here today. I must admit I got a lot out of this thread and how people feel about what Porsche us up to. I have a 997 GTS and A 991 RS. I'm obviously a NA guy. I agree with most here that the new GTS needs a little more than larger turbos to command the premium, I also think the 991.1 GTS is "the car to buy" if all .2 will be turbo. Heck I might look at them to upgrade my 997.2 GTS-4 cabrio if it'll be the last non turbo. Either way thanks for all the info I learned plenty.
Uhhhhh..... I can't tell by your signature block if you like Porsches or not. Can you elaborate please?
Holy crap!
04-10-2016, 09:06 PM
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04-10-2016, 09:13 PM
#64
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just think, the GTS with 450bhp/400lb/ft, and all that low end torque, add in PDK, SC, PASM-S, RWS ... that is
going to give the existing 991 GT3 a run for its money ... especially on tracks where low end torque
benefits low speed corner exits ... there might be quite a few GT3 owners embarrassed by the new GTS
which I think certainly means that the .2 GT3 will have the RS'es 4.0 500 bhp powerplant!!!!
frankly if you are in the market for a 991.2 I would be calling my dealer and putting a deposit on a 2017 .2 GTS ... the wait will be worth it!
going to give the existing 991 GT3 a run for its money ... especially on tracks where low end torque
benefits low speed corner exits ... there might be quite a few GT3 owners embarrassed by the new GTS
which I think certainly means that the .2 GT3 will have the RS'es 4.0 500 bhp powerplant!!!!
frankly if you are in the market for a 991.2 I would be calling my dealer and putting a deposit on a 2017 .2 GTS ... the wait will be worth it!
04-10-2016, 10:20 PM
#65
just think, the GTS with 450bhp/400lb/ft, and all that low end torque, add in PDK, SC, PASM-S, RWS ... that is
going to give the existing 991 GT3 a run for its money ... especially on tracks where low end torque
benefits low speed corner exits ... there might be quite a few GT3 owners embarrassed by the new GTS
which I think certainly means that the .2 GT3 will have the RS'es 4.0 500 bhp powerplant!!!!
frankly if you are in the market for a 991.2 I would be calling my dealer and putting a deposit on a 2017 .2 GTS ... the wait will be worth it!
going to give the existing 991 GT3 a run for its money ... especially on tracks where low end torque
benefits low speed corner exits ... there might be quite a few GT3 owners embarrassed by the new GTS
which I think certainly means that the .2 GT3 will have the RS'es 4.0 500 bhp powerplant!!!!
frankly if you are in the market for a 991.2 I would be calling my dealer and putting a deposit on a 2017 .2 GTS ... the wait will be worth it!
I think this up coming turbocharged GTS is going to be interesting. It will be the most powerful turbocharged RWD 911 variants besides the GT2 and also the most powerful turbocharged 911 that offers a manual transmission.
04-10-2016, 10:30 PM
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Exactly! It's the 991.2 variant to wait for!
04-10-2016, 10:56 PM
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04-10-2016, 11:25 PM
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04-11-2016, 12:21 AM
#69
Racer
People using the Cobb dyno test 383 BHP rear wheel and getting to 450 flywheel assuming 15% powertrain loss.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9263...l#post13151508
I'm now thinking that rather than looking for a good used TT that a 450 BHP GTS 4 manual might be the way to go if I can afford it, more modern with a longer warranty, new car smell, built the way I want it, ... plus likely similar performance up to a 997.1 TT in some aspects and better it in others (handling with RWS).
If you want the NA exhaust soundtrack then the assumed turbo 3.0 991.2 GTS still might not be the car for you.
04-11-2016, 11:58 AM
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People using the Cobb dyno test 383 BHP rear wheel and getting to 450 flywheel assuming 15% powertrain loss.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9263...l#post13151508
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9263...l#post13151508
04-11-2016, 01:25 PM
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People using the Cobb dyno test 383 BHP rear wheel and getting to 450 flywheel assuming 15% powertrain loss.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9263...l#post13151508
I'm now thinking that rather than looking for a good used TT that a 450 BHP GTS 4 manual might be the way to go if I can afford it, more modern with a longer warranty, new car smell, built the way I want it, ... plus likely similar performance up to a 997.1 TT in some aspects and better it in others (handling with RWS).
If you want the NA exhaust soundtrack then the assumed turbo 3.0 991.2 GTS still might not be the car for you.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9263...l#post13151508
I'm now thinking that rather than looking for a good used TT that a 450 BHP GTS 4 manual might be the way to go if I can afford it, more modern with a longer warranty, new car smell, built the way I want it, ... plus likely similar performance up to a 997.1 TT in some aspects and better it in others (handling with RWS).
If you want the NA exhaust soundtrack then the assumed turbo 3.0 991.2 GTS still might not be the car for you.
I also have seen modern RWD front engine cars reduced their drivetrain loss down to 11-12%, so maybe the GTS would be less than that given it's pretty modern.
04-13-2016, 01:33 PM
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Good find Mr. Cable. I'm a bit disappointed that the next GTS will be turboed on the same 3L engine as the base and S models. Basically you are paying more for larger turbos as you move from base to GTS. Porsche is really making it hard to "upgrade" down the road from my NA GTS.
anytime! - I expect the .2 GTS be the car to wait for ...
04-14-2016, 09:57 PM
#74
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04-14-2016, 10:12 PM
#75
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by STG991
