Key Left

What do you want the reviewers to say....there is no going back. They must embrace the future or be out of work.

Gil J Walker

i had the 2012 Cayenne Turbo and i know its not the same but that turbo lag could be horrible at times. I cant imagine the tech has gotten that much better in 3 yrs.

one-rennlist

Or at least get used to brake with you left foot and never ease off the accelerator!

one-rennlist

These days are definitely over - I see very few 911s being driven over the alps, and if, it's GT3 variants. And 75+ year old ladies driving 911s in the city traffic shows the demographics driving sales of the car.

todd92

Why would an options package hold value better? It's still the same car.


For the 1% of owners that care enough to vote with their wallets. The other 99% trade in or come off lease every year or two for whatever is newer. For them, the 991.2 is reason to trade earlier rather than later.

Sure, there will be fantastic bargains. If you want a bargain for antiquated technology. The NA motor is antiquated, just like the MT.

rk-d

We won't know the answer to 991.1 values for some time. A couple of things

1) The 991.2 is largely the same design as the 991.1, which itself was a significant design break from the 997. This will mitigate some of the perceived added value of the 991.1, as there is no major design differentiation like there was between air cooled/water cooled 911s.

2) The 991.2 isn't the 996.

3) People like torque

People said the same the about the e90/e92 m3 - last of the NA motorsport derived BMW engines, etc. The F8x has a blender of a motor with fake engine sounds played through the speakers. Made no difference. e90/e92s are cheap now. Maybe that will change, but I doubt it.

Personally, if asked to predict, I'd say the 991.1 will probably follow the standard 911 depreciation curve. I'd say differently about GT variations.

The reality - if tradition and emotion were critical to the 911 buying market, then PDK would not be outselling manuals (which is not a criticism). Like the poster above noted, I'd bet most 911s are leased, anyway, and are flings and not long term commitments.

elitex

Turbo is great for straight line accelerations and city driving due to the torque. Nothing beats a good NA engine. There's always turbo lag with turbos and uneven throttle response.

Truth be told, Porsche wouldn't do this if they didn't have to meet government regulations. They are not doing it because it's better, they are doing it because they have to.

997s07

Guessing you missed the thread by Petevb (our resident automotive engineering expert) where he compared the PET for both engines and concluded that the turbo is actually a lesser engine. Not only is the 9A1 turbo engine heavier it is also a poor effort.

todd92

Other than being slightly heavier, I don't see where that thread comes to the conclusion that the new engines are 'lesser' or a 'poor effort'. Power to weight is lower for the engine itself, but still higher for the car.

997s07

You won't believe how many women in their 60s I see with 991 cars. I see a ton being valet processed during business lunches and dinners.

DerekS

It's true, some people buy a 991 and treat it like a Lexus. I imagine they are left a bit disappointed.

997s07

From post #29
"I'm sure the 991.2 as a car will also be "better" than the 991.1 for most people. Not my cup of tea due to the turbo lag, but most will enjoy more mid range punch and power. The fuel efficiency benefit is also undeniable and required. This doesn't change the fact that the engine has objectively taken a step backwards in a number of areas. I'm somewhat surprised that Porsche didn't design a truly new engine for the turbo era, because we know that technically the game has moved on in the last 10 years, and they can do better."

997s07

One women in her 60s I know, says her 991 makes her feel young.

997rs4.0

I live in a gated community in central Florida. Majority of 991s and caymans are driven by older women.

This might be a problem for Porsche down the road. The Gt4 is a very important model to bring a younger public to the Porsche brand. Hopefully they up production so younger buyers with not such a good relationship with dealers can get a taste of these great cars.

dflowerz

I hope at some point to see a 991.1 vs 991.2 comprehensive comparison. I would imagine that very few Porsche 911s of the base and S models actually get driven to even 75% of their potential. I also think it is not unusual for many 911 owners to be older because it takes time to be able to afford the car. That is my case. I have never had any nostalgia for what went before. If new tech is better then I am all for it. My current street motorcycle has fuel injection, abs, and traction control and I love it. I suspect the 911 comparison tests will lament the demise of the na 911.1 but conclude that the 911.2 is just a better car overall.