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Great article. It's spot on. Exactly what some of the great minds on here have been saying.
Very telling how it seems that the move to turbo doesn't seem favorable in any article I've seen. It's like the 911 has been handed a death sentence. The NA is highly regarded.
Haha thanks strat, I have one coming in manual and PTS fashion grey. Who knows whats going to happen, but I plan on driving it daily =)
Awesome! I'm sure you'll love it. Fashion grey is a great colour for a daily driver! (Ask me how I know) And please feel free to add a couple of photos to this thread I've got going on fashion grey cars: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...ey-thread.html. TIA!
Here in Europe, the GTS is allready sold out, and the 3.8 NA engine is almost out of production. Only the GT3 models wil stay NA, and all the other models will have turbo engines. I don't think there will be a 991.2 GTS soon.
Because this GTS is the last NA 911 and most powerfull 991 with manual gearbox, i'm pretty sure it will allways be a desired model. Is it collectable? I don't think so. It will depreciate less than a regular 991, but it willl never have a higher value than what we pay today. I think it will depreciate 30% over the next 5 years, and from than the value will be stable. That's what i think.
Great article. It's spot on. Exactly what some of the great minds on here have been saying.
Very telling how it seems that the move to turbo doesn't seem favorable in any article I've seen. It's like the 911 has been handed a death sentence. The NA is highly regarded.
Great article. It's spot on. Exactly what some of the great minds on here have been saying. Very telling how it seems that the move to turbo doesn't seem favorable in any article I've seen. It's like the 911 has been handed a death sentence. The NA is highly regarded.
Oddly the 993 example that is given in the article is completely inaccurate. Unless I read it wrong that is..
Anyone following the AC market knows a 993 c2s or c4s is currently selling above original MSRP and as high as 120k. This fact seems to negate the credibility of the author doesn't it?
Oddly the 993 example that is given in the article is completely inaccurate. Unless I read it wrong that is..
Anyone following the AC market knows a 993 c2s or c4s is currently selling above original MSRP and as high as 120k. This fact seems to negate the credibility of the author doesn't it?
Late to the thread. This is an interesting point but this is 2015 and not 1995. By that I mean that in 1995 a 993 msrp was about $60,000. So you buy that car with $60,000 in 1995. Flash forward to 2015 and a 3.5 percent rate of inflation for 20 years - the buying power of $60,000 1995 dollars is about $108,000. So it is more realistic to judge what 993s are going for now based on past value of money versus current value of money.
I do not mean to state that prices for ACs are not crazy, particulalry given how old they are, just that you have to place in perspective costs and values in terms of purchasing power.
Except maybe for some Torque! But it's not here yet so why split hairs?
True, but I was going off of posted data that was out on the non GTS cars at that time. Torque is very little on the Carreras and top end I believe is 1mph diff. on the ones coming out. The GTS for sure will have quite a bit more zip it seems from recent reads.
Just glad I got my GTS after hearing the new cars a few weeks ago in CO. I talked to the Porsche engineers about the new engines in CO and looked them over. Ran into them doing tests on the cars in the mountains. I like the 991 better, but all the power to the 991.2 owners and people who will like them better over the old car. We are on the same team. They are all nice!
Last edited by stratocaster69; 10-18-2015 at 04:26 PM.
Late to the thread. This is an interesting point but this is 2015 and not 1995. By that I mean that in 1995 a 993 msrp was about $60,000. So you buy that car with $60,000 in 1995. Flash forward to 2015 and a 3.5 percent rate of inflation for 20 years - the buying power of $60,000 1995 dollars is about $108,000. So it is more realistic to judge what 993s are going for now based on past value of money versus current value of money. I do not mean to state that prices for ACs are not crazy, particulalry given how old they are, just that you have to place in perspective costs and values in terms of purchasing power.
I don't believe I'm understanding the relevance of purchasing power. Vehicle depreciation is not measured on an inflation adjusted basis. Said another way, if a car is worth more today than original MSRP, it has appreciated, which is the case for many 993s, especially wide body variants and turbos. The author of the article in the link posted above seems to say the opposite.
Oddly the 993 example that is given in the article is completely inaccurate. Unless I read it wrong that is..
Anyone following the AC market knows a 993 c2s or c4s is currently selling above original MSRP and as high as 120k. This fact seems to negate the credibility of the author doesn't it?
I believe what the author is trying to say is that 993 prices did drop for several years with normal depreciation but obviously have gone up since. And, similarly, 991.1 prices will drop but could, like the 993, begin to rise.
991.1 GTS LAST of the NA GTS's like we've assumed.
Andreas Preuninger talking about the GT program which will stay NA for the foreseeable future. He's obviously a naturally aspirated fan.
I studied these words over and over again because it wasn't clear to me at first read. I agree that it looks like the GTS will be a turbo as well. That's a shame.
I hope they don't just use the same 3.0L turbo and just increase boost. I don't need anything faster - I just want that NA flat-6 howl with PSE and S-PASM!
08-26-2015, 12:43 PM
Thoughts on future GTS collectability if it stays NA
I'm sure you'll love it. Fashion grey is a great colour for a daily driver! (Ask me how I know) And please feel free to add a couple of photos to this thread I've got going on fashion grey cars: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...ey-thread.html. TIA!
