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Old 03-25-2015, 11:04 PM
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I haven't been able to find any 991 GTS Nurburgring lap times. Porsche was testing the GTS at the Nurburgring last year but never released any official lap times. Makes you wonder if they were not happy with the results... Obviously the GTS was positioned between the S and GT3 so naturally one would want to know how it stacks up against it's siblings. I'm guessing lap times would be pretty close to an S and no where near a GT3. It would be nice if the lap times were officially listed just like all the other track focused models in its segment.
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I agree, it would be nice to know, but in the end who really cares?.....the GTS is a street car, the GT3 is a track focused car that is relatively nice to drive on the street. If I ever drive the Nurburgring to work a few seconds off I guess would be nice, otherwise I'll just have to "suffer" in a GTS.
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seems like the wider tire than the S and the powerkit should put it ahead of the S, but agreed, that would be an interesting stat. cheers.
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Originally Posted by Rocket_boy
I agree, it would be nice to know, but in the end who really cares?.....the GTS is a street car, the GT3 is a track focused car that is relatively nice to drive on the street. If I ever drive the Nurburgring to work a few seconds off I guess would be nice, otherwise I'll just have to "suffer" in a GTS.
I agree. How many people drive "The Ring"? Never understood why so many people are so concerned about lap times around the ring. People get so excited about a few seconds differential over a 14 miles course, or however long it is.
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Originally Posted by kaution321
I haven't been able to find any 991 GTS Nurburgring lap times. Porsche was testing the GTS at the Nurburgring last year but never released any official lap times. Makes you wonder if they were not happy with the results... Obviously the GTS was positioned between the S and GT3 so naturally one would want to know how it stacks up against it's siblings. I'm guessing lap times would be pretty close to an S and no where near a GT3. It would be nice if the lap times were officially listed just like all the other track focused models in its segment.
since it really just recently opened back up for the season i think you will see sport auto do a supertest on it sometime soon. hope its a GTS2 with PDK! i bet it screams!
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Originally Posted by kaution321
I haven't been able to find any 991 GTS Nurburgring lap times. Porsche was testing the GTS at the Nurburgring last year but never released any official lap times. Makes you wonder if they were not happy with the results... Obviously the GTS was positioned between the S and GT3 so naturally one would want to know how it stacks up against it's siblings. I'm guessing lap times would be pretty close to an S and no where near a GT3. It would be nice if the lap times were officially listed just like all the other track focused models in its segment.
This. The GTS is a Carrera S with a few options added. Nothing more.

Not even on same planet as GT3.
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
This. The GTS is a Carrera S with a few options added. Nothing more.

Not even on same planet as GT3.
BINGO! We have a winner!

Porsche hasn't released GTS times because they know the GTS is an options package, technically not a new model at all. For marketing purposes they want to call it a model and pretend it fits in like a model so they talk about it being in between the S and the GT3. Which, technically, it is. But no more so than any other similarly optioned S. Which lap times would reveal. So: no official lap times!
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Originally Posted by chuck911
BINGO! We have a winner! Porsche hasn't released GTS times because they know the GTS is an options package, technically not a new model at all. For marketing purposes they want to call it a model and pretend it fits in like a model so they talk about it being in between the S and the GT3. Which, technically, it is. But no more so than any other similarly optioned S. Which lap times would reveal. So: no official lap times!
You can bet the added 30 HP over an S would show a significant improvement in lap times on such a long track.
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Way closer then you may think....


Look at the times @ 10:00 mark

991 GT3 1:27.28
991 50th 1:28.93

A 1.3% difference? (my math could be off)

All subjective and lots of unknowns, but they are not a "world" apart. They both are from the 918 though.

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Originally Posted by Rocket_boy
Way closer then you may think....

2015 Porsche 911 GT3: The Ultimate Drivers 911? - Ignition Ep. 121 - YouTube

Look at the times @ 10:00 mark

991 GT3 1:27.28
991 50th 1:28.93

A 1.3% difference? (my math could be off)

All subjective and lots of unknowns, but they are not a "world" apart. They both are from the 918 though.
funny I was going to quote the same video
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Originally Posted by carrering
since it really just recently opened back up for the season i think you will see sport auto do a supertest on it sometime soon. hope its a GTS2 with PDK! i bet it screams!
+1
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Originally Posted by jimbo1111
You can bet the added 30 HP over an S would show a significant improvement in lap times on such a long track.
True. But so would the added weight and higher coefficient drag will negatively impact the GTS. The ring is Porsche's training ground for all their sports cars and they publish lap times proudly for the C2S and GT3 but not the GTS?!?!?! Makes you wonder why that is... Similar case with Ferrari saying they beat the 918 ring lap record but refuses to release official lap time.

Obviously most of us are not here to buy cars based on lap times but when it comes to sport cars lap times is a stat that sport/racing enthusiast will want to know on a particular model. And if a manufacturer especially Porsche who basically uses the ring as their official testing ground and not to mention literally located in their backyard doesn't release lap times for a 911 GTS people will start to notice.
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Originally Posted by kaution321
True. But so would the added weight and higher coefficient drag will negatively impact the GTS. The ring is Porsche's training ground for all their sports cars and they publish lap times proudly for the C2S and GT3 but not the GTS?!?!?! Makes you wonder why that is... Similar case with Ferrari saying they beat the 918 ring lap record but refuses to release official lap time.

Obviously most of us are not here to buy cars based on lap times but when it comes to sport cars lap times is a stat that sport/racing enthusiast will want to know on a particular model. And if a manufacturer especially Porsche who basically uses the ring as their official testing ground and not to mention literally located in their backyard doesn't release lap times for a 911 GTS people will start to notice.
its unlikely to be slower than an S, nor faster than a GT3 ... how do the various figures (drag, weight etc) compare ... we can probably interpolate the time pretty accurately given the 2S and GT3 times.
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Originally Posted by Rocket_boy
Way closer then you may think.... Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xV5upNGAI Look at the times @ 10:00 mark 991 GT3 1:27.28 991 50th 1:28.93 A 1.3% difference? (my math could be off) All subjective and lots of unknowns, but they are not a "world" apart. They both are from the 918 though.
Wow. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by kaution321
True. But so would the added weight and higher coefficient drag will negatively impact the GTS. The ring is Porsche's training ground for all their sports cars and they publish lap times proudly for the C2S and GT3 but not the GTS?!?!?! Makes you wonder why that is... Similar case with Ferrari saying they beat the 918 ring lap record but refuses to release official lap time. Obviously most of us are not here to buy cars based on lap times but when it comes to sport cars lap times is a stat that sport/racing enthusiast will want to know on a particular model. And if a manufacturer especially Porsche who basically uses the ring as their official testing ground and not to mention literally located in their backyard doesn't release lap times for a 911 GTS people will start to notice.
A 62lb difference and a DC of .29 vs .30. Where it may lose a little there. It will make up for in handling. The wide body of the GTS is superior in the handling department. Even if the hp was muted. Which it isn't because the sprint to 200km is .7 faster than the S. The handling would be far superior and yield faster lap times.


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