2016 Porsche 991 Facelift Prototype Crashed in Stuttgart
02-25-2015, 03:39 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
I think that the Macan has shown us the direction. Both the Macan S and the Macan Turbo have turbo engines. I guess Turbo doesn't mean what it one did for Porsche!
02-25-2015, 04:08 PM
#19
Drifting
Sigh... I'm old enough (if barely) to remember when the word "Turbo" was like the word "Elvis;" it had only one meaning: Porsche 930. Yeah, a tiny few cars (Saab 900, Buick Regal) also had turbochargers, but if you said "Check out my new Turbo" it meant one of two things:
1) you had a new 930, or
2) you had a new Saab 900 and you were kidding with people, knowing everyone would think you meant a 930 and would laugh real big when they got to the parking lot.
I always knew I wanted to own a Turbo one day; when I finally got to seriously test drive one (87 930 in the nineties) I was very disappointed with it as a road car: gawdawful lag, 4-speed box, low redline, 7:1 compression. The contemporary Carrera was SOOOOOO much more fun to actually drive on the street, like a car.
But by the time they were putting two turbos on, raising compression, managing knock with electronics, and had a 6-speed box, I was in, and bought a 17,000 mile slightly used 996TT X50. What a fantastic car -- none of the old complaints.
I'm very glad I've enjoyed a nice long run with a "Turbo" (I still use the single name), but I'm glad to be returning to NA 911s. The power delivery is different, it really is. Even with the 991TT. I went in to buy a 991TT and wound up falling back in love with the 911S (haven't even gotten to drive a GTS yet). When it's said and done, I'll have as much in a new GTS as a 5000-mile used 991TT costs, but it's an NA Carrera I want. :shrug: Sad I'll be getting one of the very last ones, if 15s are the final stand.
1) you had a new 930, or
2) you had a new Saab 900 and you were kidding with people, knowing everyone would think you meant a 930 and would laugh real big when they got to the parking lot.
I always knew I wanted to own a Turbo one day; when I finally got to seriously test drive one (87 930 in the nineties) I was very disappointed with it as a road car: gawdawful lag, 4-speed box, low redline, 7:1 compression. The contemporary Carrera was SOOOOOO much more fun to actually drive on the street, like a car.
But by the time they were putting two turbos on, raising compression, managing knock with electronics, and had a 6-speed box, I was in, and bought a 17,000 mile slightly used 996TT X50. What a fantastic car -- none of the old complaints.
I'm very glad I've enjoyed a nice long run with a "Turbo" (I still use the single name), but I'm glad to be returning to NA 911s. The power delivery is different, it really is. Even with the 991TT. I went in to buy a 991TT and wound up falling back in love with the 911S (haven't even gotten to drive a GTS yet). When it's said and done, I'll have as much in a new GTS as a 5000-mile used 991TT costs, but it's an NA Carrera I want. :shrug: Sad I'll be getting one of the very last ones, if 15s are the final stand.
02-25-2015, 05:19 PM
#20
In high school I had a Dodge Daytona Turbo Z and it had a groovy turbo gauge on the center cluster that my buddies and gf and I would be all like man that's so cool! The mustang gt (80s 5.0) I had after it was much better - NA engine and a relatively big one at that!
But I wonder too nowadays if it's not just politics but the horsepower wars playing a role, with car companies already having mined all the low hanging fruit (direct injection, higher revs, higher displacement). How much is really left on the table when these engines are all over 100 hp/liter? Doesn't one have to increase displacement or revs more to achieve more power at this point? The X51 is ported, polished and revised intake for 30 hp. Pretty much most of the hot rodder tricks short of removing catalytic converters and/or increasing displacement.
The Z06, gt500, hellcat, m cars, etc are all boosted now to make big power. It takes Chevy 6.2L to make 450hp, Ford needs 5.0 and a non typical crank (gt350) to make over 500. How does Porsche do 500 without forced induction at a price that makes sense (relative haha!) in the carrera s/GTS range?
But I wonder too nowadays if it's not just politics but the horsepower wars playing a role, with car companies already having mined all the low hanging fruit (direct injection, higher revs, higher displacement). How much is really left on the table when these engines are all over 100 hp/liter? Doesn't one have to increase displacement or revs more to achieve more power at this point? The X51 is ported, polished and revised intake for 30 hp. Pretty much most of the hot rodder tricks short of removing catalytic converters and/or increasing displacement.
The Z06, gt500, hellcat, m cars, etc are all boosted now to make big power. It takes Chevy 6.2L to make 450hp, Ford needs 5.0 and a non typical crank (gt350) to make over 500. How does Porsche do 500 without forced induction at a price that makes sense (relative haha!) in the carrera s/GTS range?
02-25-2015, 11:32 PM
#23
Drifting
Yeah this seems extremely obvious based on the naming conventions for the rest of the Porsche lineup. Names will stay the same and the Turbo/Turbo S will continue to be the big dog at the top of the lineup (huge power/price).
02-26-2015, 01:47 AM
#24
Rennlist Member
02-26-2015, 01:53 AM
#25
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02-26-2015, 07:09 PM
#28
Rennlist Member
hilarious!
02-26-2015, 07:11 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
I suspect that the cause of the accident was this: it was a PDK car, and the factory driver was used to the 991 PDK manual shift, so in the new car he downshifted when he thought he was upshifting and lost it!
02-26-2015, 09:21 PM
#30
Banned
Got a chuckle out of that. Probably wouldn't of happened if a 7 speed were available.