Am I the only who isnt worked up over the GTS?
10-15-2014, 04:39 PM
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The GTS is not something to get "worked up" about. There is absolutely no reason to change cars to "upgrade" to the GTS. However, if you were buying a well-spec'd 911 (as I was) the GTS "option package" actually saves money. For me, I'll save a few thousand bucks and get the power-kit "for free". I'm pretty pumped up about that.
10-15-2014, 04:58 PM
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The GTS is not something to get "worked up" about. There is absolutely no reason to change cars to "upgrade" to the GTS. However, if you were buying a well-spec'd 911 (as I was) the GTS "option package" actually saves money. For me, I'll save a few thousand bucks and get the power-kit "for free". I'm pretty pumped up about that.
I'll be saving thousands on my build since I wanted the X51 anyhow.
10-15-2014, 05:07 PM
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Exactly. Its a great options package. Where all the hype comes in is marketing, calling it a GTS when in fact it has nothing to set it apart as a new model. But for someone who wants all those options it is a killer deal. They could very easily have given the GTS rear axle steering and firmer GT3 suspension bushings. That's all, just the bushings. These would cost them near to nothing. In fact they could have given it GT3 steering software which would have cost them nothing! Any one of these things would have been a fig leaf to hide behind in saying its a new model. But no. Pure marketing. That doesn't stop it from being one hell of a great deal for guys like hinckley and Larry who know what they're getting. Why so many others get so excited, well, Porsche marketing at its finest!
10-15-2014, 05:22 PM
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The GTS is not something to get "worked up" about. There is absolutely no reason to change cars to "upgrade" to the GTS. However, if you were buying a well-spec'd 911 (as I was) the GTS "option package" actually saves money. For me, I'll save a few thousand bucks and get the power-kit "for free". I'm pretty pumped up about that.
10-15-2014, 05:29 PM
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pretty much! 
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I think that if you look at how Porsche uses the 'GTS' brand its clear that it is *not* (nor has it ever been) a distinct model such as a GT3 or GT2 or RS variants thereof, its *always* been an 'options discount bundle'
If you want to get excited about it, do this:
1) imagine you are in the market for a new 991 S variant (coupe cabriolet)
2) login to Porsche.com, fire up the car configurator... pick your model...
3) go ahead and spec a car with Sport Design accessories, X51 ...note the price...
4) now start again, and pick the GTS variant, spec your car...
5) compare the prices... now get stoked! what's not to get excited about saving money?
Also note that if you like the wide body but not the 4WD the only way to get this is to spec a GTS ... and if you like alacantara and deviated stitching ... same deal ...
In short, what is 'at fault' here, is the beholders expectations, not the car or the marketing behind it ...
c.f 997 GTS, Cayman & Boxster GTS, Cayenne GTS ...
The GTS is not something to get "worked up" about. There is absolutely no reason to change cars to "upgrade" to the GTS. However, if you were buying a well-spec'd 911 (as I was) the GTS "option package" actually saves money. For me, I'll save a few thousand bucks and get the power-kit "for free". I'm pretty pumped up about that.
Exactly this. Although it would have been nice if they would have thrown in ONE new thing (like the Macan MFSW/paddles as an option if not RWS or the PDKs), it's still a great deal (in Porsche terms) if you were already going to order a heavily optioned C4S and adding the Powerkit put you in solid TT pricing.
I'll be saving thousands on my build since I wanted the X51 anyhow.
I'll be saving thousands on my build since I wanted the X51 anyhow.
Exactly. Its a great options package. Where all the hype comes in is marketing, calling it a GTS when in fact it has nothing to set it apart as a new model. But for someone who wants all those options it is a killer deal. They could very easily have given the GTS rear axle steering and firmer GT3 suspension bushings. That's all, just the bushings. These would cost them near to nothing. In fact they could have given it GT3 steering software which would have cost them nothing! Any one of these things would have been a fig leaf to hide behind in saying its a new model. But no. Pure marketing. That doesn't stop it from being one hell of a great deal for guys like hinckley and Larry who know what they're getting. Why so many others get so excited, well, Porsche marketing at its finest!
If you want to get excited about it, do this:
1) imagine you are in the market for a new 991 S variant (coupe cabriolet)
2) login to Porsche.com, fire up the car configurator... pick your model...
3) go ahead and spec a car with Sport Design accessories, X51 ...note the price...
4) now start again, and pick the GTS variant, spec your car...
5) compare the prices... now get stoked! what's not to get excited about saving money?
Also note that if you like the wide body but not the 4WD the only way to get this is to spec a GTS ... and if you like alacantara and deviated stitching ... same deal ...
In short, what is 'at fault' here, is the beholders expectations, not the car or the marketing behind it ...
c.f 997 GTS, Cayman & Boxster GTS, Cayenne GTS ...
10-15-2014, 05:43 PM
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Again, I don't understand why that's an issue for people. If you don't want the package, you don't need to order it. But if you like carbon trim and deviated stitching (as I do) and would have spec'd it anyway (as I was), it saves money.
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10-15-2014, 05:54 PM
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And those deviated stitchings alone would cost around $4120 if one tries to get them individually on the seats and the doors and everywhere. That's the fact. Thus, 991GTS is a great bargain. It is perhaps the greatest bargain in Porsche's current range of cars.
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10-15-2014, 06:00 PM
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Larry, you're right that GTS has always been an options package not a true model. But that in itself is a departure from normal Porsche history. Unless I am mistaken, and there may be exceptions I'm unable to recall, but as far back as I can remember Porsche has always reserved the GTS type designation for a new model. Look back any time before they started using GTS. Anything with S, SC, R, GT, RSR- or even if you go back far enough E and T!- were always different models. By the same token, any variants that weren't really new models had different names- Weissach Edition, Club Coupe, Club Sport, RS America on and on right up to the "50". Sure some of these had options you couldn't order on the original model. Usually these were special colors or materials, just like the GTS.
Somewhere along the line Porsche decided its worth diluting this longstanding name brand recognition in order to promote sales with a "new" model. And yes, its a bargain. I always reiterate that. But its also shameless, overhyped marketing. Imagine if one year they came out with a GT3 that was nothing more than a regular 991 with all the nice performance options. Or an S that was nothing more than the base model with a nice package of options. People would be up in arms.
I said a while back that the way we will know if Porsche is serious about the GTS is if they give it bona fide equipment like RAS and steering or PDK from the GT3. Well, now we know. With those few additions they could easily have had a GTS that truly fit the bill of filling the gap between the S and the GT3. That's what they're claiming, but we all know it just isn't true. Still a nice car. Too bad its also a missed opportunity.
Somewhere along the line Porsche decided its worth diluting this longstanding name brand recognition in order to promote sales with a "new" model. And yes, its a bargain. I always reiterate that. But its also shameless, overhyped marketing. Imagine if one year they came out with a GT3 that was nothing more than a regular 991 with all the nice performance options. Or an S that was nothing more than the base model with a nice package of options. People would be up in arms.
I said a while back that the way we will know if Porsche is serious about the GTS is if they give it bona fide equipment like RAS and steering or PDK from the GT3. Well, now we know. With those few additions they could easily have had a GTS that truly fit the bill of filling the gap between the S and the GT3. That's what they're claiming, but we all know it just isn't true. Still a nice car. Too bad its also a missed opportunity.
10-15-2014, 06:09 PM
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The 997 GTS was not a new model, just like the 991 GTS is not a new model.
10-15-2014, 06:53 PM
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10-15-2014, 07:04 PM
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Correctamundo. Which since its not a new model but is a sweet options package begs the question, why doesn't Porsche offer more discounted options packages? Even more to the point, why doesn't Porsche offer ANY discounted options packages?
10-15-2014, 07:05 PM
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Larry, you're right that GTS has always been an options package not a true model. But that in itself is a departure from normal Porsche history. Unless I am mistaken, and there may be exceptions I'm unable to recall, but as far back as I can remember Porsche has always reserved the GTS type designation for a new model.
By the same token, any variants that weren't really new models had different names- Weissach Edition, Club Coupe, Club Sport, RS America on and on right up to the "50". Sure some of these had options you couldn't order on the original model. Usually these were special colors or materials, just like the GTS.
Somewhere along the line Porsche decided its worth diluting this longstanding name brand recognition in order to promote sales with a "new" model. And yes, its a bargain. I always reiterate that. But its also shameless, overhyped marketing. Imagine if one year they came out with a GT3 that was nothing more than a regular 991 with all the nice performance options. Or an S that was nothing more than the base model with a nice package of options. People would be up in arms.
I said a while back that the way we will know if Porsche is serious about the GTS is if they give it bona fide equipment like RAS and steering or PDK from the GT3. Well, now we know. With those few additions they could easily have had a GTS that truly fit the bill of filling the gap between the S and the GT3. That's what they're claiming, but we all know it just isn't true. Still a nice car. Too bad its also a missed opportunity.
I said a while back that the way we will know if Porsche is serious about the GTS is if they give it bona fide equipment like RAS and steering or PDK from the GT3. Well, now we know. With those few additions they could easily have had a GTS that truly fit the bill of filling the gap between the S and the GT3. That's what they're claiming, but we all know it just isn't true. Still a nice car. Too bad its also a missed opportunity.
either way this is a pretty pointless debate, there is no right nor wrong ... only opinions... I think the GTS is exactly what a number of people on RL accurately predicted it would be... a discounted option bundle, just like the last one, just like the Cayman and the Boxster...and pretty much like the Cayenne and Panamera, and I'll wager like the Macan GTS that is sure to materialize sooner rather than later.
10-15-2014, 07:06 PM
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10-15-2014, 07:21 PM
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I think that if you look at how Porsche uses the 'GTS' brand its clear that it is *not* (nor has it ever been) a distinct model such as a GT3 or GT2 or RS variants thereof, its *always* been an 'options discount bundle' If you want to get excited about it, do this: 1) imagine you are in the market for a new 991 S variant (coupe cabriolet) 2) login to Porsche.com, fire up the car configurator... pick your model... 3) go ahead and spec a car with Sport Design accessories, X51 ...note the price... 4) now start again, and pick the GTS variant, spec your car... 5) compare the prices... now get stoked! what's not to get excited about saving money? Also note that if you like the wide body but not the 4WD the only way to get this is to spec a GTS ... and if you like alacantara and deviated stitching ... same deal ... In short, what is 'at fault' here, is the beholders expectations, not the car or the marketing behind it ... c.f 997 GTS, Cayman & Boxster GTS, Cayenne GTS ...
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Exactly this ^^^.
