Could this be the best thread on RL?
07-23-2014, 05:49 PM
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Could this be the best thread on RL?
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8250...ery-diary.html
Consider the evidence!
1. Factory break-in quote! "use it as you normally would: careful while cold, then flat out.”
2. Revolutionary thinking!
4. Wanderfalke! "Best post ever"!
Consider the evidence!
1. Factory break-in quote! "use it as you normally would: careful while cold, then flat out.”
2. Revolutionary thinking!
As my mechanical engineering skills are _really_ limited, I prefer to take this issue purely from a logical point of view. It really is simple:
#1: if Porsche wanted us to do the traditional break-in/babying, then one of the many computers in the car would enforce/remind us to do so.
#2: Porsche does not want bad publicity about their reliability and they do want repeat customers. A happy customer is more likely to stay loyal to the brand than one aggravated by ongoing issues. So their interest is aligned with ours on this one: a long-living happy engine.
#3: Because of #1 AND #2, we can conclude that Porsche does not know about any issues with using the engine at high (=normal operating range) RPMs from day one. (= If they knew about any such problems, they would limit RPMs in software, as that is a practically free yet much more foolproof way of doing this than asking customers to behave themselves...
3. Photo's! https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8250...ery-diary.html#1: if Porsche wanted us to do the traditional break-in/babying, then one of the many computers in the car would enforce/remind us to do so.
#2: Porsche does not want bad publicity about their reliability and they do want repeat customers. A happy customer is more likely to stay loyal to the brand than one aggravated by ongoing issues. So their interest is aligned with ours on this one: a long-living happy engine.
#3: Because of #1 AND #2, we can conclude that Porsche does not know about any issues with using the engine at high (=normal operating range) RPMs from day one. (= If they knew about any such problems, they would limit RPMs in software, as that is a practically free yet much more foolproof way of doing this than asking customers to behave themselves...
4. Wanderfalke! "Best post ever"!
07-23-2014, 06:05 PM
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Chuck have you broken in a new 911 motor in the past 20 plus years? I don't think so. Put your $149,500 where your mouth is. Stop beating a dead horse.
I gladly followed the owner's manual. Not one quote from one factory rep.
I gladly followed the owner's manual. Not one quote from one factory rep.
07-23-2014, 06:10 PM
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Off topic! The subject is best threads! Present your evidence or go home!
Or better yet, study up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism
Or better yet, study up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism
07-23-2014, 06:13 PM
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Chuck, are Walgreens and CVS closed again?
Answer the question. What are you so afraid of?
Answer the question. What are you so afraid of?
07-23-2014, 06:21 PM
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Obvious conclusions based on the evidence presented:
Porsche's are red,
German sky's are blue,
Any break in theory hangs by a thread
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And Rennnlist does too.
Porsche's are red,
German sky's are blue,
Any break in theory hangs by a thread
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And Rennnlist does too.
07-23-2014, 06:42 PM
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breaking in a new engine and breaking in a new transmission / differential's gear teeth are two different things ...two schools of thought on the former but not on the latter !
why should one care what someone else does with their car anyway..it not like you are gonna buy their car down the road
another reason to avoid used cars ...you never know how many are put to bed wet all the time
why should one care what someone else does with their car anyway..it not like you are gonna buy their car down the road
another reason to avoid used cars ...you never know how many are put to bed wet all the time
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07-23-2014, 06:55 PM
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https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...e-and-you.html
I can't imagine there is another thread on here that has been so helpful to so many (121,192 views!) as we've negotiated our way through all the permutations possible on first the online configurator, then the dealer's.
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07-23-2014, 07:36 PM
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If you're serious about best threads, it is this one hands down:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...e-and-you.html
I can't imagine there is another thread on here that has been so helpful to so many (121,192 views!) as we've negotiated our way through all the permutations possible on first the online configurator, then the dealer's.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...e-and-you.html
I can't imagine there is another thread on here that has been so helpful to so many (121,192 views!) as we've negotiated our way through all the permutations possible on first the online configurator, then the dealer's.
But still, valid point. Eduardo's a class of his own. Consider it revised to, could balaclava's be the best non-Admin-stickied thread on RL?
07-23-2014, 07:44 PM
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I agree with chuck on this one. Let's face reality! If porsche wanted a real break in, they wouldn't let the longshore men drive my car like it was stolen for the first 14 miles. 9mpg when I picked it up from the dealer. Really? What do you get on the track? Oh yeah. 9mpg. So basically from the time the car leaves the factory, it's driven like it's meant to be. Until it gets into the buyers hands and then it's supposed to be babied for 2000 miles? If they really wanted that, there would be software for that limit. Even my sales guy says drive it gently till 100 miles on it and then you can do whatever you want.
07-23-2014, 07:57 PM
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I doubt that there is an automobile engine being built today, that if given regular maintainence, won't go over 200,000 miles. Fiat might make me a liar.
07-23-2014, 08:38 PM
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Actually, back in the day (before they were run out of the country on a rail) I owned three (two new, one slightly used) FIATs, while two close friends each had a couple as well. One of those friends treated his new '73 124 Spyder just like that gorilla in the old American Tourister TV ads used to treat that suitcase. He had no feel for mechanical devices whatsoever. Truthfully, we all pounded the whiz out of our engines and, to a lesser extent, the entire cars as well. We never had a single problem with any of our engines or clutches, though my 850 Spider's tranny would eat its Porsche syncros like popcorn. The one failing that all of our FIATs exhibited: rust. I was present when my new '74 X1/9 arrived at the dealership. I watched them pull it off of the transporter, and when the truck driver opened the driver's door to climb out, I noticed a nickel-sized spot of rust on the door, right at the bottom of the window...not a rust stain, mind you. We're talking missing primer/paint, with solid rust well into the metal. So yes, FIATs were far from perfect...but they get somewhat of a bum rap for mechanical unreliability.
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07-24-2014, 01:22 PM
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I agree with chuck on this one. Let's face reality! If porsche wanted a real break in, they wouldn't let the longshore men drive my car like it was stolen for the first 14 miles. 9mpg when I picked it up from the dealer. Really? What do you get on the track? Oh yeah. 9mpg. So basically from the time the car leaves the factory, it's driven like it's meant to be. Until it gets into the buyers hands and then it's supposed to be babied for 2000 miles? If they really wanted that, there would be software for that limit. Even my sales guy says drive it gently till 100 miles on it and then you can do whatever you want.
07-24-2014, 01:48 PM
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The 9 mpg is not necessarily and indicator of how hard the car has been driven for those 14 miles. Since the computer is calculating mpg even when the car is just sitting at idle, the car will most likely show very low mpg for those first miles because of the percentage of time idling and stop and go driving during transit around the port, and even PDI and test drive by the dealer.