Custom Ordering a 991, 'Porsche Exclusive' and You!
12-26-2012, 06:47 PM
#106
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
You have done the Porsche company a true service for their business and I regret that one person, for whatever reason, was short with you. Porsche is a niche car company with a tremendous following of staunch supporters. The company cannot afford poor publicity within that cadre of folks. Thank you again for your thread and how it gave me the confidence to order a car right out of my imagination and not the brochure.
That's not what Z356 said, not even close. The staff Z356 spoke to could have offered to follow up when they have more time, referred him to someone else, asked PAG for some resources to help him, etc.
Very boneheaded decision from them to answer such a lifelong enthusiast this way. I'm not giving up the brand for the ignorance of a few staff, but let's call a spade a spade, it was foolish of them.
Very boneheaded decision from them to answer such a lifelong enthusiast this way. I'm not giving up the brand for the ignorance of a few staff, but let's call a spade a spade, it was foolish of them.
If any of you are interested in reading the questions I posed to Sascha, please email me (via this forum) and I will forward the verbatim email I sent him. If you are thinking of custom ordering a 991, it would make interesting reading since it listed various combinations of 'Porsche Exclusive' options for the new 911 model which I thought might be of interest to ME and other potential customers! It will also let you judge for yourself if the questions I posed created an unreasonable burden on 'Porsche Exclusive' to answer them to my satisfaction!
Saludos,
Eduardo
12-26-2012, 07:25 PM
#107
Eduardo,
Have you received any updates on the Paint to Sample list?
Would be nice to know if any of the feasibility studies have been successful?
As you know, my wife has told me I can only order Speed Yellow cars.
Seems odd that they would need a feasibility check on it but I hope by now they have been successful.
cheers,
Steve
1) Paint to Sample
Timing: Available for a limited time window during the model year. Opens and closes depending on series production scheduling. In the initial limited period of MY2012 991, it was open briefly then closed as MY2013 production was about to start. Now it appears to be open again for MY2013 991. Could close on the MY2013 991 sometime in the late Fall or early Winter of 2012, but apparently nothing yet has been communicated to dealers. Seems like the factory likes to bunch up PTS requests in batches and tries to do them all in a row. If you know something about the complicated process of auto painting technology, you probably will understand why! So always check that the window for PTS is open so that you are not disappointed by being shut out due to the factory 'fickle' PTS scheduling!
Cost: Currently $5,500.
Colors Available: Any...as long as it passes a very strict and severe test conducted by PAG in Zuffenhausen with the assistance of their current paint supplier - Dupont. Some colors that are deemed proprietary to a model (e.g. Speedster Blue or Sport Classic Grey) are often 'off-limits'. Some that are registered trade-marks of corporations (e.g. Gulf colors) might also be currently prohibited. Overall, what Porsche is looking to do is limit customer complaints that might trigger costly warranty claims and consumer dissatisfaction of mis-matched colors on any part of the vehicle. Since the materials now used in cars involve steel, plastic, carbon fiber, etc, it is important that colors don't fade at a different rate on the varied surfaces of a modern Porsche!
The process of determining suitability could take weeks or months. It only starts after you place the order with your dealer and it sends an actual 'sample' metal piece painted (minimum size of a business letter) with your desired PTS color to the factory in Germany. So this 'Paint to Sample' process is not for those that are in a hurry in getting their 991's or are easily upset by a possible rejection of your color selection! But perseverance will reward your efforts with a fairly rare, or even unique, color on your special vehicle!
To their credit, PCNA has actually issued a document on 6/4/2012 which told dealers of PTS colors that they have already tested and pre-approved. This is a tremendous advantage for those of you willing to select one of those pre-approved colors because you don't have to submit color 'samples' and wait in limbo! It means you quickly pass 'Go' and your car can be quickly scheduled for production!
Among the PTS colors pre-approved as of 6/4/2012 are:
Mexico Blue
Riviera Blue
RS Green
Pastell Orange (German Spelling)
Aetna Blue (misspelled in List as Etna)
Stone Grey
Fashion Grey
Grey Black
Arena Red
Brewster Green
Arctic Silver
Among the PTS colors officially rejected and 'Not Available' are:
Aquamarine Blue Metallic
Atlas Grey Metallic
Slate Metallic
RS Orange (from personal experience)
Among the PTS under 'Feasibility Check Started' are:
Gulf Blue (don't bet on being approved!)
Gulf Orange (don't bet on being approved!)
Carrara White
Horizon Blue Metallic
Ipanema Blue Metallic
Peru Red
Sepia Brown
Maritime Blue
Meteor Grey Metallic
Voodoo Blue
Polar Silver Metallic
Among the colors under 'Feasibility Check Necessary' are:
Guards Red
Speed Yellow
GTS Red
Azzurro California Metallic
and countless others!
That is enough to digest on the first day!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, Colorado
Have you received any updates on the Paint to Sample list?
Would be nice to know if any of the feasibility studies have been successful?
As you know, my wife has told me I can only order Speed Yellow cars.
Seems odd that they would need a feasibility check on it but I hope by now they have been successful.
cheers,
Steve
1) Paint to Sample
Timing: Available for a limited time window during the model year. Opens and closes depending on series production scheduling. In the initial limited period of MY2012 991, it was open briefly then closed as MY2013 production was about to start. Now it appears to be open again for MY2013 991. Could close on the MY2013 991 sometime in the late Fall or early Winter of 2012, but apparently nothing yet has been communicated to dealers. Seems like the factory likes to bunch up PTS requests in batches and tries to do them all in a row. If you know something about the complicated process of auto painting technology, you probably will understand why! So always check that the window for PTS is open so that you are not disappointed by being shut out due to the factory 'fickle' PTS scheduling!
Cost: Currently $5,500.
Colors Available: Any...as long as it passes a very strict and severe test conducted by PAG in Zuffenhausen with the assistance of their current paint supplier - Dupont. Some colors that are deemed proprietary to a model (e.g. Speedster Blue or Sport Classic Grey) are often 'off-limits'. Some that are registered trade-marks of corporations (e.g. Gulf colors) might also be currently prohibited. Overall, what Porsche is looking to do is limit customer complaints that might trigger costly warranty claims and consumer dissatisfaction of mis-matched colors on any part of the vehicle. Since the materials now used in cars involve steel, plastic, carbon fiber, etc, it is important that colors don't fade at a different rate on the varied surfaces of a modern Porsche!
The process of determining suitability could take weeks or months. It only starts after you place the order with your dealer and it sends an actual 'sample' metal piece painted (minimum size of a business letter) with your desired PTS color to the factory in Germany. So this 'Paint to Sample' process is not for those that are in a hurry in getting their 991's or are easily upset by a possible rejection of your color selection! But perseverance will reward your efforts with a fairly rare, or even unique, color on your special vehicle!
To their credit, PCNA has actually issued a document on 6/4/2012 which told dealers of PTS colors that they have already tested and pre-approved. This is a tremendous advantage for those of you willing to select one of those pre-approved colors because you don't have to submit color 'samples' and wait in limbo! It means you quickly pass 'Go' and your car can be quickly scheduled for production!
Among the PTS colors pre-approved as of 6/4/2012 are:
Mexico Blue
Riviera Blue
RS Green
Pastell Orange (German Spelling)
Aetna Blue (misspelled in List as Etna)
Stone Grey
Fashion Grey
Grey Black
Arena Red
Brewster Green
Arctic Silver
Among the PTS colors officially rejected and 'Not Available' are:
Aquamarine Blue Metallic
Atlas Grey Metallic
Slate Metallic
RS Orange (from personal experience)
Among the PTS under 'Feasibility Check Started' are:
Gulf Blue (don't bet on being approved!)
Gulf Orange (don't bet on being approved!)
Carrara White
Horizon Blue Metallic
Ipanema Blue Metallic
Peru Red
Sepia Brown
Maritime Blue
Meteor Grey Metallic
Voodoo Blue
Polar Silver Metallic
Among the colors under 'Feasibility Check Necessary' are:
Guards Red
Speed Yellow
GTS Red
Azzurro California Metallic
and countless others!
That is enough to digest on the first day!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, Colorado
12-26-2012, 08:04 PM
#108
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Right now, Steve, I think I have been relegated so much outside the loop in PCNA circles that even a VW owner and a certified i. savant like ADias is taking pot shots at me openly on this forum! And he is almost getting away with it if it wasn't for jmct! Once you been targeted by this genius, you know that you have hit bottom and have been relegated to the cheap seats in the back of the Porsche stadium! The Fiat forum (the 500 & Topolino one, not the 'F' made in Maranello) is now probably all I can aspire to!
Saludos,
Eduardo
12-27-2012, 03:48 PM
#109
Nordschleife Master
... I have been relegated so much outside the loop in PCNA circles that even a VW owner and a certified i. savant like ADias is taking pot shots at me openly on this forum! And he is almost getting away with it if it wasn't for jmct! Once you been targeted by this genius, you know that you have hit bottom and have been relegated to the cheap seats in the back of the Porsche stadium! The Fiat forum (the 500 & Topolino one, not the 'F' made in Maranello) is now probably all I can aspire to!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Saludos,
Eduardo
A difference of opinion begets pathetic name calling and personal insults! It speaks volumes.
And apparently it is now beneath a Porsche owner to also own a VW !!
I refuse to participate in a discussion where personal insults replace exchange of views. Good luck with your next promotion.
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12-27-2012, 04:05 PM
#110
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Saludos,
Eduardo
01-07-2013, 03:09 PM
#111
Eduardo, my thanks for the PTS discussion and list. Here is my new 991S in Etna Blue.
BASE 911 Carrera S
NE Espresso natural lthr interior
ZAB Ornamental Porsche Crest
651 Sunroof
ZAA Auto AC
666 Telephone module
XWK Sport Seats Plus backrests she
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests
XPT Storage bin lid with Crest
640 Sport Chrono Package
031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Contro
911 Model Designation "911"
XRP Wheel spacers, 5 mm
840 SportDesign steering wheel
998 Natural leather interior
446 Wheel caps color Porsche crest
XHG Centre console trim Mahagony
EEB Mahogany interior package (wit
XHC Mahogany Gear Lever
XHE Mahogany Gearbox Trim
XWB Mahogany Door Panel
P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
342 Seat heating (front)
541 Seat ventilation (front)
603 Bi-Xenon(TM)hdlghts incl.PDLS
625 Porsche Entry & Drive
630 Int Light Pkg for Rear Compart
680 BOSE Surround Sound-System
690 SiriusXM(TM) & HD Radio tuners
693 6 disc CD/DVD changer
24931 Color to sample
BASE 911 Carrera S
NE Espresso natural lthr interior
ZAB Ornamental Porsche Crest
651 Sunroof
ZAA Auto AC
666 Telephone module
XWK Sport Seats Plus backrests she
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests
XPT Storage bin lid with Crest
640 Sport Chrono Package
031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Contro
911 Model Designation "911"
XRP Wheel spacers, 5 mm
840 SportDesign steering wheel
998 Natural leather interior
446 Wheel caps color Porsche crest
XHG Centre console trim Mahagony
EEB Mahogany interior package (wit
XHC Mahogany Gear Lever
XHE Mahogany Gearbox Trim
XWB Mahogany Door Panel
P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
342 Seat heating (front)
541 Seat ventilation (front)
603 Bi-Xenon(TM)hdlghts incl.PDLS
625 Porsche Entry & Drive
630 Int Light Pkg for Rear Compart
680 BOSE Surround Sound-System
690 SiriusXM(TM) & HD Radio tuners
693 6 disc CD/DVD changer
24931 Color to sample
Last edited by red route 1; 12-16-2013 at 03:12 AM.
01-07-2013, 03:21 PM
#112
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Red Route 1, you got a winner there! Glad this thread was of some use. Please tell us about your custom ordering experience and how it all went (approval time, delays (if any), etc). It's one thing to discuss the theory of PTS, another is to know what happens in reality and the 'red tape' involved!
Enjoy it in great health!
Eduardo
Enjoy it in great health!
Eduardo
01-07-2013, 04:49 PM
#113
Thanks Eduardo. I didn't experience any weirdness in the process, just the expected long lead time.
By the way, I had a carrera red interior in a 997, and was tempted to do Etna over Red as that seems to have been a common configuration back in the day. I ended up with Espresso which looks great -- just didn't have the courage to do the red!
By the way, I had a carrera red interior in a 997, and was tempted to do Etna over Red as that seems to have been a common configuration back in the day. I ended up with Espresso which looks great -- just didn't have the courage to do the red!
01-07-2013, 07:37 PM
#114
Rennlist Member
Eduardo, my thanks for the PTS discussion and list. Here is my new 991S in Etna Blue.
BASE 911 Carrera S
NE Espresso natural lthr interior
ZAB Ornamental Porsche Crest
651 Sunroof
ZAA Auto AC
666 Telephone module
XWK Sport Seats Plus backrests she
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests
XPT Storage bin lid with Crest
640 Sport Chrono Package
031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Contro
911 Model Designation "911"
XRP Wheel spacers, 5 mm
840 SportDesign steering wheel
998 Natural leather interior
446 Wheel caps color Porsche crest
XHG Centre console trim Mahagony
EEB Mahogany interior package (wit
XHC Mahogany Gear Lever
XHE Mahogany Gearbox Trim
XWB Mahogany Door Panel
P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
342 Seat heating (front)
541 Seat ventilation (front)
603 Bi-Xenon(TM)hdlghts incl.PDLS
625 Porsche Entry & Drive
630 Int Light Pkg for Rear Compart
680 BOSE Surround Sound-System
690 SiriusXM(TM) & HD Radio tuners
693 6 disc CD/DVD changer
24931 Color to sample
BASE 911 Carrera S
NE Espresso natural lthr interior
ZAB Ornamental Porsche Crest
651 Sunroof
ZAA Auto AC
666 Telephone module
XWK Sport Seats Plus backrests she
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests
XPT Storage bin lid with Crest
640 Sport Chrono Package
031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Contro
911 Model Designation "911"
XRP Wheel spacers, 5 mm
840 SportDesign steering wheel
998 Natural leather interior
446 Wheel caps color Porsche crest
XHG Centre console trim Mahagony
EEB Mahogany interior package (wit
XHC Mahogany Gear Lever
XHE Mahogany Gearbox Trim
XWB Mahogany Door Panel
P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-
276 Automatically dimming mirrors
342 Seat heating (front)
541 Seat ventilation (front)
603 Bi-Xenon(TM)hdlghts incl.PDLS
625 Porsche Entry & Drive
630 Int Light Pkg for Rear Compart
680 BOSE Surround Sound-System
690 SiriusXM(TM) & HD Radio tuners
693 6 disc CD/DVD changer
24931 Color to sample
01-07-2013, 07:58 PM
#115
Thanks oldman40 for the feedback. I didn't like all of the "chrome" especially the gearbox trim, so I took a chance. I've done carbon trim before and it was great, but I thought I'd the wood with the Enta blue exterior. In retrospect I think the chrome would have been fine but not disappoined with the choice.
Even my sales guy hates wood in a 911 but when he saw it he changed his mind. The Mahogany looks good.
Here's the interior shot.
Even my sales guy hates wood in a 911 but when he saw it he changed his mind. The Mahogany looks good.
Here's the interior shot.
Last edited by red route 1; 12-16-2013 at 03:12 AM.
01-09-2013, 07:44 PM
#117
On Dec 8th I ordered a 991S with a PTS exterior color of Porsche Racing Green with an Espresso interior BUT with a deviated interior using Cognac natural leather for the seats and selected door panels with Espresso stitching. This car has been accepted by Porsche. The dealership states a manufacturing date of April but I am waiting for a build date from Porsche. The manufacturing date just reflects the dealership's allocation from the production line. My best guess is sometime from the end of May to the first part of June just before factory closedown (change over for 2014 models). There is a chance that I may have to wait until Sept because of the deviated interior (with a production delay of up to 16 weeks).
01-11-2013, 03:54 AM
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Greetings,
First time poster, long time lurker. I have been following this thread since its creation, and credit it for my interest in acquiring a PTS 991. Was really sad when Z356 stopped updating it, but am glad that it has since been resurrected.
Have been trying to follow up with my local dealer for the PTS list, was waiting for Viola Pearl to appear. I know its not for everyone, but I think it would look great with a grey or espresso interior. Here is the information I was able to gather:
PTS for 2013 will end 1/13/13. It will resume in august for 2014 models.
Included is the latest list I was able to acquire. You will notice there are some colors that were added (laser green??).
Hopefully they will continue feasability tests during the jan-aug break, hoping for Viola to be approved for 2014.
Again, thanks to Z356 for inspiring this thread, and red route 1 for bringing it back to life.
First time poster, long time lurker. I have been following this thread since its creation, and credit it for my interest in acquiring a PTS 991. Was really sad when Z356 stopped updating it, but am glad that it has since been resurrected.
Have been trying to follow up with my local dealer for the PTS list, was waiting for Viola Pearl to appear. I know its not for everyone, but I think it would look great with a grey or espresso interior. Here is the information I was able to gather:
PTS for 2013 will end 1/13/13. It will resume in august for 2014 models.
Included is the latest list I was able to acquire. You will notice there are some colors that were added (laser green??).
Hopefully they will continue feasability tests during the jan-aug break, hoping for Viola to be approved for 2014.
Again, thanks to Z356 for inspiring this thread, and red route 1 for bringing it back to life.
Last edited by cy456; 06-01-2015 at 04:19 PM.
