i'm thinking of replacing my GT3 , not sure why
08-25-2015, 01:30 PM
#91
08-26-2015, 11:35 PM
#92
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08-27-2015, 11:36 AM
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08-27-2015, 02:06 PM
#94
The core of your dilemma: cars are not simply good or bad, they need to be matched to our use and roads.
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
Last edited by Petevb; 08-27-2015 at 02:23 PM.
08-27-2015, 03:01 PM
#95
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The core of your dilemma: cars are not simply good or bad, they need to be matched to our use and roads.
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
i don't like to drive on highway at all , i think i should but a trailer to skip highway driving.
i enjoy tight corners (i love Go Karts for example)
to drive fast on straight line , very boring.
you are 100% right , great car should scare me a little
not too much , because if you not trust the car you will drive slower and slower.
the GT3 for me , too easy to drive at crazy speed
take corners at speed i can't imagine before , very easy.
that's a great thing maybe on track and for lap times.
08-27-2015, 03:06 PM
#97
So does the car need to be new, or would you consider something older? Will you autocross or track it at all?
08-27-2015, 03:37 PM
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The core of your dilemma: cars are not simply good or bad, they need to be matched to our use and roads.
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
Drove the GT3 to work today; boring. Drove the C63 to work yesterday; fun. But the GT3 is much more fun on track.
Last edited by Manifold; 08-27-2015 at 05:29 PM.
08-27-2015, 03:47 PM
#99
i'm thinking of replacing my GT3 , not sure why
Originally Posted by Petevb
The core of your dilemma: cars are not simply good or bad, they need to be matched to our use and roads.
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
991 Turbo S- awesome car for the autobahn, but it lacks feel and feedback at legal US road speeds. A base Boxster or BRZ is a great and involving drive on tight back road, but on open freeways and straight on-ramps they're like watching paint dry. On track a 991 GT3 is a thrilling, but it can feel too competent and over-tired on many roads.
So the first question is where and how do like to get your kicks? Be honest.
Second: "too good" can be bad. Some of the best, most emotionally involving cars are flawed. And better for it.
A 2WD Turbo, GT2, Early 911, BMW 1M, BMW M Coupe, CGT... These cars are all on some level trying to kill you. And you know what? Serious drivers usually love them. Why? Because they scare us. You want an emotional connection? Fear is one of the most powerful emotions. A car that's too easy for the way we use it isn't going to challenge us and we'll get bored. A car that challenges you keeps you coming back for more.
Of course too much challenge is bad too, as is wrapped around a telephone pole, so you need to pick a challenge that matches your skill level.
From your description you don't have great back roads. You want a car that can challenge and thrill on wider roads and freeways. To me that says over-powered for the chassis, and that's my suspicion why the GT3 isn't doing it for you. So...
GT2
1M
M Coupe (the first one)
M4
F12
F Type R
Viper? (I couldn't but...)
I'd also want a manual for that situation, because your roads sound a bit boring so you'll want all the interaction you can get . I could be projecting, but...
Would have saved me a lot of cash. I could care less what car I drive on a daily basis. At the moment a 10 year old Toyota. As long as I have an RS sitting in the garage for weekends and track.
08-27-2015, 05:11 PM
#100
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This took me a while to figure out! I should have been reading Petes posts 10 years ago.: banghead:
Would have saved me a lot of cash. I could care less what car I drive on a daily basis. At the moment a 10 year old Toyota. As long as I have an RS sitting in the garage for weekends and track.
Would have saved me a lot of cash. I could care less what car I drive on a daily basis. At the moment a 10 year old Toyota. As long as I have an RS sitting in the garage for weekends and track.
i use 335i for everyday and love it (Macan Turbo will replace it soon)
you have one of the top in my dream car list
997 4.0 !!
amazing car , without driving it i can imaging it's much more fun to drive then the new GT3RS.
all the Perfect car (for me) are impossible to buy/find
my short list:
1. 458 Speciale
2. GT2RS
3. 997 GT3 4.0
08-27-2015, 05:58 PM
#101
i'm thinking of replacing my GT3 , not sure why
Originally Posted by pelo911
it's nice to have some power on everyday car ,
i use 335i for everyday and love it (Macan Turbo will replace it soon)
you have one of the top in my dream car list
997 4.0 !!
amazing car , without driving it i can imaging it's much more fun to drive then the new GT3RS.
all the Perfect car (for me) are impossible to buy/find
my short list:
1. 458 Speciale
2. GT2RS
3. 997 GT3 4.0
i use 335i for everyday and love it (Macan Turbo will replace it soon)
you have one of the top in my dream car list
997 4.0 !!
amazing car , without driving it i can imaging it's much more fun to drive then the new GT3RS.
all the Perfect car (for me) are impossible to buy/find
my short list:
1. 458 Speciale
2. GT2RS
3. 997 GT3 4.0
They are all good at different things. Would I consider the 4.0 as a DD. Never. Drove the gt4 a couple of weeks ago. IMO a great DD even with LWB.
A 996RS is amazing on super smooth roads/track! Not so much in any other place.
The 991GT3 is a great combo. Not sure why they made the RS a combo??? Doesn't make any sense to me. To hear a review saying "the 991rs was great in Auto mode during my 500 mile drive"
hurts my RS heart.
08-27-2015, 11:29 PM
#102
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pelo911
your thread now with 100 replies to your question and 6800 plus folks following
that's certainly delivering some entertainment and education................. GO RL
amazing
your thread now with 100 replies to your question and 6800 plus folks following
that's certainly delivering some entertainment and education................. GO RL
amazing
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08-28-2015, 01:49 PM
#103
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08-29-2015, 02:35 AM
#105
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4.0 may be fun at times, i like the GT4 more than my 4.0
and lately the really slow aircooled car made me stop driving the 4.0. it's been udner cover 2+ months now.
and lately the really slow aircooled car made me stop driving the 4.0. it's been udner cover 2+ months now.