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It is puzzling that PAG would stop the PTS option on the RS, but then offer a new color option: Miami Blue.
And doesn't PAG have a lot of experience w/ painting (PTS) CFP parts like those found on the 918?
I have so many similar versions of this now (it was easy to get carried away and play with the colours), I can't remember which is which!! Here's one that looks pretty close to my eye (at least on this monitor).
Originally Posted by GTEE3
It is puzzling that PAG would stop the PTS option on the RS, but then offer a new color option: Miami Blue.
And doesn't PAG have a lot of experience w/ painting (PTS) CFP parts like those found on the 918?
I've wondered the same thing, and here are my thoughts.
Clearly PAG is able to paint exotic materials successfully, at least we know that certain colours are good to go (White, Lava, GT Silver, etc). When the factory has sufficient time and chooses to engineer a colour from scratch (with few strict up front requirements as to what it should resemble), they can experiment with the paint and try a number of formulations and then just take one that performs satisfactorily. Maybe this is why it's not much trouble to introduce a whole new colour. Recall that Miami blue has been in development for a long time now (possibly as long as Lava): we first saw hints that it was coming in January of this year when it was already posted on the Glasurit (aftermarket paint producer) website, meaning it had already been fully tested, and probably intended for the RS with all its crazy new materials which all checked out ok. In fact, it was listed as a "2014-2016" colour, so may have been sitting in the wings for a couple of years now! Perhaps the stop sale on the GT3 delaying the RS launch meant that Miami was ready to go but had to be held back, and probably someone forgot to inform all the third party contractors (like Glasurit) of the delay (just like the toy model RS that was leaked early, and had evidently been ready for a while).
But to take requests for, say, Mexico blue, Birch green, and a couple dozen other specific paint colours only a few months before customers are supposed to receive their cars, and go through the entire testing process is clearly a whole other matter. I suppose certain colours / pigments just don't work well on various surfaces, and it's probably hard to predict without testing. So maybe Signal green might work, but for some unknown reason Viper green may not (even though they're both medium green). And I'm in sure the Viper green customer would not accept a different similar green in lieu of the theoretically failed Viper. So this might get quite difficult in a PTS program, where the customer decides what colour (and it must match exactly the colour that she/he requests), especially on a very short time frame, and for "only" $5500.
Finally, add to that that many of the parts are supplied by outside vendors fully painted, and this means that PAG has even less control of the process. Since parts arrive only just-in-time, there is probably too little time to inspect, verify, and reorder any failed parts. This is less of an issue when you order large quantities well in advance, and have gone through the quality assurance with the vendor in advance. But for a custom colour, ordered very last minute, with no prior experience to practice for the vendor, I imagine the reject rate is substantially higher. Taking cars off the line and adding unforeseen delays to the flagship car for often very exacting customers (who have their heart set on a very special PTS car), is clearly not an acceptable way of doing business. So I can see from PAG's point of view, that this is a risky proposition. And so (unfortunately) it looks like they've decided to put limits on the PTS program for this car.
Anyway, sorry for the long-winded reply. Since I went through the PTS process, I've read (Eduardo's and other posts) and thought a fair bit about what it might involve. I'm not an insider, so read this with a heavy pinch of sodium chloride!
Makes a lot of sense. The cost difference between the UV / LO and full PTS always seemed like a bit of a bargain to me. Full customisation usually costs more than that so it's entirely possible that it was just costing them too much money.
I've wondered the same thing, and here are my thoughts.
Clearly PAG is able to paint exotic materials successfully, at least we know that certain colours are good to go (White, Lava, GT Silver, etc). When the factory has sufficient time and chooses to engineer a colour from scratch (with few strict up front requirements as to what it should resemble), they can experiment with the paint and try a number of formulations and then just take one that performs satisfactorily. Maybe this is why it's not much trouble to introduce a whole new colour. Recall that Miami blue has been in development for a long time now (possibly as long as Lava): we first saw hints that it was coming in January of this year when it was already posted on the Glasurit (aftermarket paint producer) website, meaning it had already been fully tested, and probably intended for the RS with all its crazy new materials which all checked out ok. In fact, it was listed as a "2014-2016" colour, so may have been sitting in the wings for a couple of years now! Perhaps the stop sale on the GT3 delaying the RS launch meant that Miami was ready to go but had to be held back, and probably someone forgot to inform all the third party contractors (like Glasurit) of the delay (just like the toy model RS that was leaked early, and had evidently been ready for a while).
But to take requests for, say, Mexico blue, Birch green, and a couple dozen other specific paint colours only a few months before customers are supposed to receive their cars, and go through the entire testing process is clearly a whole other matter. I suppose certain colours / pigments just don't work well on various surfaces, and it's probably hard to predict without testing. So maybe Signal green might work, but for some unknown reason Viper green may not (even though they're both medium green). And I'm in sure the Viper green customer would not accept a different similar green in lieu of the theoretically failed Viper. So this might get quite difficult in a PTS program, where the customer decides what colour (and it must match exactly the colour that she/he requests), especially on a very short time frame, and for "only" $5500.
Finally, add to that that many of the parts are supplied by outside vendors fully painted, and this means that PAG has even less control of the process. Since parts arrive only just-in-time, there is probably too little time to inspect, verify, and reorder any failed parts. This is less of an issue when you order large quantities well in advance, and have gone through the quality assurance with the vendor in advance. But for a custom colour, ordered very last minute, with no prior experience to practice for the vendor, I imagine the reject rate is substantially higher. Taking cars off the line and adding unforeseen delays to the flagship car for often very exacting customers (who have their heart set on a very special PTS car), is clearly not an acceptable way of doing business. So I can see from PAG's point of view, that this is a risky proposition. And so (unfortunately) it looks like they've decided to put limits on the PTS program for this car.
Anyway, sorry for the long-winded reply. Since I went through the PTS process, I've read (Eduardo's and other posts) and thought a fair bit about what it might involve. I'm not an insider, so read this with a heavy pinch of sodium chloride!
Daniel: Excellent post. You are hired...as part of our Rennlist 'PTS' expert staff! I am on vacation in Europe starting on Tuesday July 14th and return on August 7th. Hold the fort.
Reporting for duty, sir! (as you know, we Canadians aren't exactly a military (or PTS) superpower like you; so hopefully you don't stray too far from wifi connectivity)
UV exclusive on the fitst batch cars along with black, yellow and blue maybe and other new colors replacing for example UV next batch. Makes sense, easy to organize for an extra $5500.
I have been out of the loop lately so I did not hear of this whole cancelling of the PTS program. Fortunately, I picked black (well, Basalt, but oh well), so my order is still locked in. I also requested lava orange wheels, mirrors, the decal and the wing tips as well in orange. Has PTS been cancelled only in some regions or is it worldwide. Oh and wth is Miami Blue? Is it a new color and is there a photo?
Oh and I finally sat in a GT4! Man, that clutch is heavy!
I have been out of the loop lately... Has PTS been cancelled only in some regions or is it worldwide.
PTS only cancelled by Porsche at its facilities in Germany. PTS is still going on smoothly at Porsche production facilities in Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Paraguay. Fortunately, that is where all PTS 991 gt3 RS are being produced...so you are OK.
Kidding aside, nothing has been 'cancelled'. PTS windows are apparently being closed early for some MY2016 models. PTS production of 991 gt3 RS's, if you have a confirmed PTS order, will continue albeit with perhaps some delays. But no new PTS orders will be accepted. On the positive side, three additional colors have been 'approved' for the 991 RS model - 'Black', 'Racing Yellow' and 'Miami Blue'. Although they still might cost the same as PTS (needs confirmation on this fact), production in these colors will be expedited (4 weeks as compared to 12 weeks for standard PTS 'in relation to allocation month'). More info & updates coming in on all of these changes almost on a daily basis...so please stay in the loop!
I'm going to give my dealer another week and then see if he has some further information. I'm not understanding why mine is apparently cancelled even though the order was already in.
He also told me that all PTS was at a stand still for now and they were not sure when it would be restarted. He seems to speak directly to the factory and he's there on a regular basis so should be reasonably well informed.
I'm going to give my dealer another week and then see if he has some further information. I'm not understanding why mine is apparently cancelled even though the order was already in.
He also told me that all PTS was at a stand still for now and they were not sure when it would be restarted. He seems to speak directly to the factory and he's there on a regular basis so should be reasonably well informed.
Thanks for keeping us all up to date. I'm eager to hear what your dealer uncovers for you. If it was a quality control issue that is putting the kaibash on current PTS orders (like yours), then the message posted above seems to suggest that some or all PTS orders will now be offered one of the 3 new special colours as a "peace offering" replacement for the requested PTS colour. At least no one other than previously submitted PTS orders will be able to spec the 3 new colours--so you'd be amongst only a very few owners with these special colours. I know, still not a perfect solution.
PTS only cancelled by Porsche at its facilities in Germany. PTS is still going on smoothly at Porsche production facilities in Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Paraguay. Fortunately, that is where all PTS 991 gt3 RS are being produced...so you are OK.
Kidding aside, nothing has been 'cancelled'. PTS windows are apparently being closed early for some MY2016 models. PTS production of 991 gt3 RS's, if you have a confirmed PTS order, will continue albeit with perhaps some delays. But no new PTS orders will be accepted. On the positive side, three additional colors have been 'approved' for the 991 RS model - 'Black', 'Racing Yellow' and 'Miami Blue'. Although they still might cost the same as PTS (needs confirmation on this fact), production in these colors will be expedited (4 weeks as compared to 12 weeks for standard PTS 'in relation to allocation month'). More info & updates coming in on all of these changes almost on a daily basis...so please stay in the loop!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
I wonder if Miami Blue will be closer to your Crystal Blue?
1957/1959 Porsche 356A 'Aquamarine' / Porsche color code 5707. Ian brought up the similarity in the 981 'Custom Ordering' thread:
I think its important to note that a customer requested 'Aquamarine' as a PTS color, PAG did a feasibility study on it & approved it...
for the Panamera, but rejected it for the 991/981. Why???
Do you remember when not that long ago Rennlister djcxxx actually requested 'Blutorange/Tangerine' from 'Porsche Exclusive',
a feasibility study was done on it and it was similarly rejected?
Well, PAG changed the formula by a few shades & introduced it as 'Lava Orange' on the 991 gt3 RS! I think we have the making
of a similar phenomenon here with 'Miami Blue'. It might be the vintage/historic 356 'Aquamarine', but up/down a few shades!
Some still believe that Porsche's new 'Miami Blue' is closer to is the lighter/bluer L51C from the 74-78 VW's than the Grey-Blue ''Taubenblau'
based on internal dealer emails they have been privy to. I have been promised by a high-up at 'Porsche Exclusive' that they will try to send
me photo of actual color as soon as they (PCNA!) get it in Atlanta. That hopefully will on Monday! So we might put an end to the speculation
pretty soon and have confirmed information on what 'Miami Blue' truly will look like! We will keep everyone posted!
Whlle we wait to hear from PCNA and PAG about their PTS final plans for the 991 gt3 RS, here is a recent exchange I had
with another individual on the gt4 forum that might provoke some interesting discussion on this thread!
I feel like Mary Poppins singing about 'a few of my favorite things'!
"Raindrops on roses
And whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles
And warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things"
Hello Eduardo, First, thanks for sharing so much information on PTS.
"If history is a guide, it will...if you choose your PTS color wisely"
Have been trying to read all of you posts on PTS here and on the GT3 side.
I have not seen a list from you on your favorite PTS colors.
Would you mind sharing your favorite and least favorite current PTS colors?
Ok.....
Favorite PTS and Least Favorite PTS
As you know, this is all very personal and varies widely from person to person. But let me say this on the subject.
In general I am very attracted to the solid/uni colors from the 'golden age' of Porsche exterior paint options -
which in my opinion started around 1969 and ended in the mid-1970's!
As most that have follow my PTS posts on Rennlist know by now, I am very partial to the solid greens in the Porsche palette:
'Riviera Blau'
'Mexico Blau'
'Maritime Blau'
'Aetna Blau'
'Voodoo Blau'
'MeerBlau'
'Gulf Blau'
'Meissen Blau' (if approved)
'Club Blau' (PCA 60th Anniversary Coupe. A few shades off the original 1974 'Acid Blue'. Not yet available for PTS but perhaps soon)
'Pastel Orange'
'Gulf Orange'
'Continental Orange' (not approved)
'RS Orange' (Discontinued)
'Signal Orange' (not yet requested...one of my favorites)
'Tangerine' (not approved...but 'Lava Orange' a few shades off!)
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In the purple I like:
'Ultraviolet'
'Aubergine' (if approved)
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In my opinion the most popular/attractive color that Porsche currently offers via PTS, and the safest 'investment' choice if you are cautious about choosing an expensive $5,500 option, is.....'Riviera Blue'!
The rest of the PTS approved colors...but in particular order:
All 'metallics' colors without exception...
'Mint Green'
'Pascha Red'
'Creme White'
'Golf Blue'
'Irish Green'
'Peru Red'
'Ruby Star'
is´s my first post here in the forum. I read Your threads now for quite a while.
Since I have a riviera blue GT3 RS allocation for November, I checked today direct with the Production in Zuffenhausen about the PTS rumours.
They told me that all approved PTS cars get the requested colour. They just cannot handle more due to the higher quality standards and available slots. So the PTS window is closed for all new requests.
I don´t know anything about the three newly discussed colours.
07-12-2015, 11:34 AM
PTS approved cars get PTS