Reference Guide to PTS
05-31-2015, 10:29 PM
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My understanding with PTS on the RS as it stands currently is that it has been allowed but the only approved color so far is black. Other colors on the PTS approved list are pending approval for the RS. Does anyone know when the specific PTS colors will be approved for the RS?
Assume that the color you pick from the Approved PTS List dated 2/25/2015 for the 991/981 will be acceptable...until PAG tells you, via PCNA & your dealer, otherwise. Then you chose another approved color. Rinse & repeat. You know the drill.
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05-31-2015, 10:35 PM
#17
There also isn't any clarity on how many slots there will be and how they'll be sorted out beyond the "Preference will be given for PTS production spots to the PTS orders previously communicated..."
My dealer put my color in on Thursday and it's still sitting at V110 - not sure when it'll shift to V215. I guess they'll wait a week or so like they did with Black before finalizing approvals/slots?
My dealer put my color in on Thursday and it's still sitting at V110 - not sure when it'll shift to V215. I guess they'll wait a week or so like they did with Black before finalizing approvals/slots?
06-01-2015, 02:55 AM
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^ "clarity"... you want "clarity"... you think you are buying a honda or something? part of the porsche mystique is torture, begging, confusion, anger, frustration....
if i know how to do a selfie, i send you pic of my hair. left it turning viper green and right is UV with a few strands of mexico blue
if i know how to do a selfie, i send you pic of my hair. left it turning viper green and right is UV with a few strands of mexico blue
06-01-2015, 03:07 AM
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Peace, brother!
Saludos,
Eduardo
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06-01-2015, 07:12 AM
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Trying to pull together complete list of Porsche IROC factory RSR colors...
This site has some info: http://www.pbase.com/slidevalve911rs...tory_cars_iroc
Most of these are from Pelican Parts forum:
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This site has some info: http://www.pbase.com/slidevalve911rs...tory_cars_iroc
Most of these are from Pelican Parts forum:
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06-01-2015, 07:42 AM
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I really like the idea of Amethyst.
What do you guys think??
What do you guys think??
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06-01-2015, 07:58 AM
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^ "clarity"... you want "clarity"... you think you are buying a honda or something? part of the porsche mystique is torture, begging, confusion, anger, frustration....
if i know how to do a selfie, i send you pic of my hair. left it turning viper green and right is UV with a few strands of mexico blue
if i know how to do a selfie, i send you pic of my hair. left it turning viper green and right is UV with a few strands of mexico blue
Until it shifts to V215 I'm assuming it's UV still. So everyone is aware of is as soon as your PTS color is approved, your order will be locked. Make sure everything else is how you want it.
06-01-2015, 10:15 AM
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06-01-2015, 11:49 AM
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A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
Cheers
A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
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06-01-2015, 12:10 PM
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For Eduardo
A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
Cheers
A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
Cheers
06-01-2015, 12:21 PM
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Here is the complete & definitive list of Porsche IROC factory RSR colors!
The complete list of Chassis #s, Engine #s, colors & color codes is as follows:
911.460.0016 IROC engine #684 0021, 'Light Yellow', color code 117
911.460.0025 IROC engine #684 0022, 'Grand Prix White', color code 908
911.460.0035 IROC engine #684 0024, 'Gulf Blue', color code 328
911.460.0037 IROC engine #684 0027, 'Yellow Green/Gelbgrün' (called 'Pistachio' by some at the time of the race), color code 137
911.460.0040 IROC engine #684 0023, 'Birch Green/Light Green', color code 253
911.460.0042 IROC engine #684 0025, 'Jade Green/Hellgrün', color code 227
911.460.0050 IROC engine #684 0028, 'Aubergine', color code 025
911.460.0059 IROC engine #684 0029, 'Acid Blue/Bahama Blue', color code 354
911.460.0075 IROC engine #684 0033, 'Mexico Blue', color code 336
911.460.0085 IROC engine #684 0035, 'India Red', color code 027
911.460.0090 IROC engine #684 0031, 'Orange', color code 156
911.460.0100 IROC engine #684 0024, 'Sahara Beige', color code 516
911.460.0111 IROC engine #684 0033, 'Strawberry/Fraise', color code 024
911.460.0116 IROC engine #684 0034, 'Magenta/Karminrot', color code 009
911.460.0124 IROC engine #684 0026, 'Black', color code 041 (or 700)
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This exchange with Mike Valentine got the discussion it started at the thread on the late '15 PTS gt3s back on 5/06/2015. Here are some excerpts on this fascinating topic dear to my heart!
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Well, Mike V., let's talk about that in greater detail since it's a fascinating color topic. A while back, I posted the following information & photos about this subject which is now worth revisiting! The 'Lime Green' color family has a quite interesting history at Porsche. In MY1974, Porsche introduced a color called 'Lichtgrün'/Birch Green', color code #253. It was a stunning color! And it's the color that Henry (JUPJAI) ordered on his beautiful 911 Turbo S cabriolet since it's available via PTS from Porsche today!
Interestingly, Porsche also offered that year another 'Lime Green' color called 'Gelbgrün/Yellow Green', which had color code 137. It is also a beautiful hue!
You can see 'Lichtgrün'/Birch Green', color code #253, compared to 'Gelbgrün/Yellow Green', color code #137, below:
And another famous & historic Porsche 'Lime Green' hue is 'Lindgrün/Chartreuse', color code #226. This was a MY1972/1973 color which was often referred in the US as 'Lime Green':
This color was last used via PTS on a .2 gt3 RS 4.0 LE in 2011:
'Lindgrün' (still with its original color code of 226) is presently under feasibility study at 'Porsche Exclusive' at the request of Rennlister 'Green Lantern' via Brett Payne at Sonnen Porsche in Marin County, CA.
We are all extremely lucky to be able to order today via PTS either ''Lichtgrün'/Birch Green' and/or ''Gelbgrün/Yellow Green'! Both are truly stunning colors! And perhaps soon we might have the opportunity to also get 'Lindgrün/Chartreuse'.
Now to a bit of fascinating historical trivia re: colors of the 1974 IROC 911 RSR's:
Rennlister W8MM (Mike V.) was the former owner of 991 460 0040 which was painted by the factory in 'Light Green'.
Supposedly there were at least three greens IROC cars, although I only see two versions of 'green' in the photos above:
911 460 0037 Engine 684 0027, Pistachio Green
911 460 0040 Engine 684 0023, Light Green
911 460 0042 Engine 684 0025, Bright Green
And this ad list one of the IROC cars by its proper Porsche name - 'Birch Green', which is color code 253:
Mike: Why don't you tell us more about the color of your old IROC RSR and show us photos, etc? Plus any other color information you might have on any of the other IROC Porsches, especially the 'Green' ones? Thank you in advance for any assistance & info you can provide us re: this topic on our forum.
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Eduardo,
I only know about 911 460 0040 in any detail, but I'll add what I can.
The reason there are only two green (pistachio & bright) cars in the parking lot photo above is that there are only 12 cars in that picture -- not the full 15 produced. My 0040 was a practice car, driven by everyone (sooner or later), as spelled out in that antique Stoddard advert, and not one of the 12 "race" cars.
Color photos from the day are quite unreliable for color fidelity. Magazine shots taken in KodaColor had the tendency to suppress the blue component compared to real life. As a result, Birch green came out looking pretty yellow. KodaChrome transparencies had a pumped up blue level (compared to real life) and looked more green. Early digital photos taken while I had the car were also a crap shoot as to the recorded hue.
Birch green was VERY difficult to faithfully record the hue until very recently. When I want to remember the exact hue of Birch green, I walk out to the garage, go up to the loft, and pick up a piece of the fiberglass bumper I still have post-crash repair. Then I can be sure. I broke off a small piece of it that fits in my shirt pocket if I need to take it with me
So, no need to show less than faithful pix just to confuse the issue. Showing great shots of paint paddles is better.
OT: The practice vs race provenance might be a bit muddy since some references indicate that 0040 may have been pressed into service at one of the later Riverside races to temporarily replace a crash-damaged member of the original "race 12".
More OT: Both photos above show all the cars in the "duck tail" configuration -- in which they were never raced. They were all converted to the "whale tail" after USA testing found they needed more rear downforce. The Riverside configuration was modified for Daytona because of the high speed banking. The whale tail was further amplified by the addition of a form fit black anodized aluminum "wicker bill" or "Gurney lip" that stuck up from the trailing edge of the wing. The suspension was also tweaked for the effects of the constant and heavy aero loading while circulating the banking.
I only know about 911 460 0040 in any detail, but I'll add what I can.
The reason there are only two green (pistachio & bright) cars in the parking lot photo above is that there are only 12 cars in that picture -- not the full 15 produced. My 0040 was a practice car, driven by everyone (sooner or later), as spelled out in that antique Stoddard advert, and not one of the 12 "race" cars.
Color photos from the day are quite unreliable for color fidelity. Magazine shots taken in KodaColor had the tendency to suppress the blue component compared to real life. As a result, Birch green came out looking pretty yellow. KodaChrome transparencies had a pumped up blue level (compared to real life) and looked more green. Early digital photos taken while I had the car were also a crap shoot as to the recorded hue.
Birch green was VERY difficult to faithfully record the hue until very recently. When I want to remember the exact hue of Birch green, I walk out to the garage, go up to the loft, and pick up a piece of the fiberglass bumper I still have post-crash repair. Then I can be sure. I broke off a small piece of it that fits in my shirt pocket if I need to take it with me
So, no need to show less than faithful pix just to confuse the issue. Showing great shots of paint paddles is better.
OT: The practice vs race provenance might be a bit muddy since some references indicate that 0040 may have been pressed into service at one of the later Riverside races to temporarily replace a crash-damaged member of the original "race 12".
More OT: Both photos above show all the cars in the "duck tail" configuration -- in which they were never raced. They were all converted to the "whale tail" after USA testing found they needed more rear downforce. The Riverside configuration was modified for Daytona because of the high speed banking. The whale tail was further amplified by the addition of a form fit black anodized aluminum "wicker bill" or "Gurney lip" that stuck up from the trailing edge of the wing. The suspension was also tweaked for the effects of the constant and heavy aero loading while circulating the banking.
The drivers...
The colors...
1) 'Mexico Blue', color code 336
2) 'Acid Blue/Bahama Blue', color code 354
3) 'Gulf Blue', color code 328
4) 'Yellow Green', color code 137
5) 'Light Green/Birch Green', color code 253
6) 'Grand Prix White', color code 908
7) 'Black', color code 041 (or 700)
8) 'Strawberry/Fraise', color code 024,
9) 'India Red', color code 027
10) Magenta', color code 009,
11) 'Aubergine', color code 025
12) 'Orange', color code 156
13) 'Sahara Beige', color code 516
Question Marks:
14) 'Bright Green' (Irish?) color code 213 or something else
15) 'Bright Yellow', color code 139 (?) or 'Light Yellow', color code 117
Mike, would you care to comment on the actual name & code of these last two colors?
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I am not sure of the exact color used in the 'Bright Green' either...particularly since 'Irish Green/213' is very dark color and not that 'Bright'!
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I am pretty sure that the 'Bright Green' is not 'Irish Green', color code 213 as I have seen it previously reported in the web. I believe the color is actually 'Jade Green', color code 227, which is often referred by its German name 'Hellgrün'. This was a 'special color' in MY1974 and would have made more sense that it was the one chosen to paint this car! The colors are not correctly captured in the period photos due to the peculiarities of the Kodak film used at the time!
Here is as it was raced:
There is even this old post at another forum from one 'Mike V.' that also posted earlier on this thread. He was making the point that the photo (first above) is not of his old 'Birch Green' 9114600040, but Mike goes on to mention he thinks that color is 'Hellgrün' ('Jade Green'), which makes more sense!
"Mike Valentine 11-May-2011 13:58
I'm 99.99% certain that this car is not 9114600040.
This photo shows headlights instead of the black caps that were used in the series, making me think that it was taken after the series was well over. Also, 9114600040 was sold to Stoddard after the Daytona finale and would have had a wicker bill (Gurney flap) attached to the trailing edge of the whale tail. This car seems to be configured for the Riverside races without the extra rear downforce required for Daytona. Another factor is that this color doesn't look in this photo like hellgruen does in real life. This photo has way too much blue and not enough yellow in the color rendition. BTW, I bought 9114600040 from Chuck Stoddard after it had been owned in the interim by a gentleman residing in Utah who had 9" rims front and rear. This car has 9s & 11s in the photo."
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Did you buy it directly from Stoddard at $21,000?
Please tell us the full story on the beautiful 'Birch Green' IROC (chassis #40) & where it ended up! If you have photos of when you owned it, we would love to see them!
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Mike has not answered that last question I posed...the topic reverted back to the late PTS gt3s in that forum. But hopefully it can be continued on this thread!
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Original exchange above can be found here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...y-gt3s-29.html
My thanks to W8MM, Brian 96C2, Sportscentury, Pelican, Early 911S & others for helping us put together the full story of the colors of the 1974 IROC 911 RSR's!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
06-01-2015, 12:25 PM
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For Eduardo
A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
Cheers
A few months ago, you posted in response to an acquaintance of yours that had recently taken Euro Delivery delivery of a PTS Green turbo S (not sure which green but it was spectacular build w contrasting stitching, etc...). Trying to locate that thread to confirm the colour of that particular car but after some searching, haven't had any luck. If your memory serves I would appreciate a link.
Cheers
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-turb...-ed-today.html
Saludos,
Eduardo