RS Total US Allocations Best Estimate 1200-1500 units
03-07-2015, 10:55 PM
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This will be interesting to follow! The 991.3 is by far the most successful gt3 and will likely hit almost 1800 only in the US. I think the RS will be just as successful, but it's hard to know how many potential buyers? We all know that everyone that wanted a 1.3 got one! So my guess 700-900 cars should make everyone happy? 600-700 sounds logical and if demands is higher just add a couple of hundred cars towards the end? I know this is not what the dealers want to read! But probably close to the truth?
Euro 6 is also part of the reason, I think, that the RS has such a limited production timeline, and is tagged for deliveries in Europe as early as May 2015.
03-07-2015, 11:40 PM
#47
What's the capability of the line in Stuttgart? I think they will have a very good idea about demand within the next month?
03-08-2015, 01:52 AM
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In Geneva it was reported that the RS is compliant with Euro 6 regs....not sure which thread, I'll look for it.
03-08-2015, 06:50 AM
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Thinking fo a license plate like this:
F9000
I actually very often "short shift" my GT3 at 8800 on track because I do not feel/see any benefit from reving to 9000. The gear ratios are spaced so tight so I think it does not matter at all!
Peter
03-08-2015, 07:24 AM
#50
I believe they already came in effect for passenger cars - needed to be approved by September 2014 and impact registrations after 1 January 2015. I think for Light and heavy commercial vehicles they have until September 2015 and January 2016 due to a 1 year extension.
03-08-2015, 09:15 AM
#51
According to WIKI and other sources 997 GT3 production .1& .2 aggregated 4600+ cars. If we assume 50% made it to the US then there should be some 2300 around, which is way more than 991s. I agree with the theory that car is more usable as DD and MAYBE that 991 buyers could be more interested in driving their cars (this pure speculation on my part).
03-08-2015, 10:31 AM
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Just because something hasn't been questioned before doesn't make it true 
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. How do you know the reports are accurate and where are they are actually coming from? There are always things forum communities are right about and conversely wrong about. If they are from Porsche direct and there's a valid source then great. Has anyone asked that or has everyone just assumed it's true?
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. How do you know the reports are accurate and where are they are actually coming from? There are always things forum communities are right about and conversely wrong about. If they are from Porsche direct and there's a valid source then great. Has anyone asked that or has everyone just assumed it's true?https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...l#post12099278
Once again 1600 so far! This is 50% of worldwide production and we could end up with a little more. Whatever they produce of the RS, figure we will get at least half. So do we really think they will build only 1500 units world wide? That will be the first time EVER, that an RS was only 50% of the total GT3 production. Despite all the official proclamations from Porsche on limited production, they have never limited production on the RS to this extent in the past.
03-08-2015, 12:13 PM
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It seems if you are in North America the answer is always 600. 600 GT4, 600 RS 600 secret this and that....its funny when PAG haven't even told their global sales channel. I doubt the GM of PCNA even knows what exactly he will be given across the various production runs of these models between now and MY17 in May/June 2016!
As for 991 GT3 sales in USA. I can confirm 100% this is well over 50% of global production. China production was mostly moved to US allocations late in the piece and RHD markets were staved of allocation. USA is a strengthening economic market with a upward FX projection. One of the biggest factors has been the 918 VIP program which has also strengthened USA demand for the GT models. People love to feel important!
I was told that infact just over 60% of WW production 991 GT3 is in the USA. That will be approx 1980 units when complete. Total production volume of 991 GT3 was originally forecast at 3300 units according to a reliable Pistonheads member who talked with AP in the early days at Goodwood in 2013. Time and time again I am learning that nothing has deviated much from the original plan with the 991 GT3 & RS (save the timing of the RS release and its redline). I would expect RS sales/production to be half of GT3 at around 1600 units WW and again would expect at least 50% of those to be sold to NA (800 units).
As for 991 GT3 sales in USA. I can confirm 100% this is well over 50% of global production. China production was mostly moved to US allocations late in the piece and RHD markets were staved of allocation. USA is a strengthening economic market with a upward FX projection. One of the biggest factors has been the 918 VIP program which has also strengthened USA demand for the GT models. People love to feel important!
I was told that infact just over 60% of WW production 991 GT3 is in the USA. That will be approx 1980 units when complete. Total production volume of 991 GT3 was originally forecast at 3300 units according to a reliable Pistonheads member who talked with AP in the early days at Goodwood in 2013. Time and time again I am learning that nothing has deviated much from the original plan with the 991 GT3 & RS (save the timing of the RS release and its redline). I would expect RS sales/production to be half of GT3 at around 1600 units WW and again would expect at least 50% of those to be sold to NA (800 units).
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03-08-2015, 12:46 PM
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It seems if you are in North America the answer is always 600. 600 GT4, 600 RS 600 secret this and that....its funny when PAG haven't even told their global sales channel. I doubt the GM of PCNZ even knows what exactly he will be given across the various production runs of these models between now and MY17 in May/June 2016!
As for 991 GT3 sales in USA. I can confirm 100% this is well over 50% of global production. China production was mostly moved to US allocations late in the piece and RHD markets were staved of allocation. USA is a strengthening economic market with a upward FX projection. One of the biggest factors has been the 918 VIP program which has also strengthened USA demand for the GT models. People love to feel important!
I was told that infact just over 60% of WW production 991 GT3 is in the USA. That will be approx 1980 units when complete. Total production volume of 991 GT3 was originally forecast at 3300 units according to a reliable Pistonheads member who talked with AP in the early days at Goodwood in 2013. Time and time again I am learning that nothing has deviated much from the original plan with the 991 GT3 & RS (save the timing of the RS release and its redline). I would expect RS sales/production to be half of GT3 at around 1600 units WW and again would expect at least 50% of those to be sold to NA (800 units).
As for 991 GT3 sales in USA. I can confirm 100% this is well over 50% of global production. China production was mostly moved to US allocations late in the piece and RHD markets were staved of allocation. USA is a strengthening economic market with a upward FX projection. One of the biggest factors has been the 918 VIP program which has also strengthened USA demand for the GT models. People love to feel important!
I was told that infact just over 60% of WW production 991 GT3 is in the USA. That will be approx 1980 units when complete. Total production volume of 991 GT3 was originally forecast at 3300 units according to a reliable Pistonheads member who talked with AP in the early days at Goodwood in 2013. Time and time again I am learning that nothing has deviated much from the original plan with the 991 GT3 & RS (save the timing of the RS release and its redline). I would expect RS sales/production to be half of GT3 at around 1600 units WW and again would expect at least 50% of those to be sold to NA (800 units).
Edit: I just fact checked myself- the 996 RS was very limited at less than 700 units- but that was not made available for the US market. 997.1 RS was 80% and 997.2 RS was over 80%.
03-08-2015, 12:51 PM
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Mate you may be right. I have no idea of historical splits of RS in USA vs ROW. In the markets Im most familiar with (Australian, NZ, SA, UK, Sing & HK) our RS allocations are typically 50% if our GT3 allocations. Of course this doesn't reflect ROW v USA global splits. Europe is still in the doldrums so I expect sales there to be repressed overall.
03-08-2015, 02:32 PM
#56
Mate you may be right. I have no idea of historical splits of RS in USA vs ROW. In the markets Im most familiar with (Australian, NZ, SA, UK, Sing & HK) our RS allocations are typically 50% if our GT3 allocations. Of course this doesn't reflect ROW v USA global splits. Europe is still in the doldrums so I expect sales there to be repressed overall.
I can only put it down to that the RS spec is so similar to the gt3 and that historically the RS was not offered in the US.
An RS without CS is almost impossible to sell in Europe.
So if we go after 997 sales numbers there might be demand for 1300-1500 991RS?
03-08-2015, 03:26 PM
#58
I agree that it will hard to find 1500 buyers. But a lot more money around now than 2008-2012. And I think the 1RS will be a great DD! Auto mode and higher ride hight.
03-08-2015, 04:05 PM
#59
I would rather there be less units as mine is essentially a sure thing, but I think buyers need to be realistic on unit numbers.
03-08-2015, 04:14 PM
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The new RS will be a great car. Even though it might alienate some of the old school manual only people it will attract a lot more new buyers that prefer the PDK/auto experience. I believe that has been the key driver for the large amount of 991 GT3 sales. RS will be no exception. They will sell them like hot cakes. Especially once the magazines start raving about the performance. If they make 1000 for US they'll be spoken for I'm sure.
