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Carbon Ceramic Brakes Package for 991 (non pccb)

Old 12-01-2014, 08:27 PM
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Default Carbon Ceramic Brakes Package for 991 (non pccb)

Hello,

RacingBrake is pleased to announce the following CCM-X rotor upgrade packages for 991 GT3 and Turbo (non-pccb):

Front: 410x36mm; Rear: 390x32mm
http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-CCM-Pa...por-crk-02.htm

These rotors are designed to use your stock (red) calipers for a precise fitment of the complete brake system.

These rotor packages will come with Surface Transforms CCM-X discs with our exclusive design on rotor hats, caliper relocation spacer, and hardware for a 100% "bolt on" installation.

If you chose standard brakes on your GT3, our CCM-X rotors can be a good option for a cheaper and better upgrade than pccb.

Later on you can progressively replace stock calipers to ours (for easy brake pad replacement) and retain these CCM-X rotors.

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Default Pictures of OE Calipers

Front OE caliper:

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Pistons: One of the boots is replaced to RB high temperature (blue) boot

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Rear OE Caliper:

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Pistons: One of the pistons is replaced to RB Stainless steel piston and high temperature (blue) boot

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Old 12-02-2014, 12:36 AM
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What's the advantage of this over getting the slotted rotor replacement other than brake dust?
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Typical Advantage:
  • Weight savings of up to 70% compared to iron brakes (typically 20kg of unsprung weight)
  • Improved handling and driveability
  • Improved NVH (less noise, vibration and harshness)
  • Improved performance (in both wet and dry conditions)
  • Reduced brake wear – giving increased life
  • Corrosion free
  • Outstanding performance, even from cold
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Hello RacingBrake,

Ideally I would want the following:
1) retain stock Red calipers
2) replace rotors and pads with your ceramics. Larger is a plus
3) excellent track use wear. should be at least 3x that of normal cast iron
4) excellent modulation, good initial bite but not aggressive. I like Pagid Yellow RS29.
5) little or no dust
6) reasonable pad and rotor replacement costs. Should be at least half of pccb cost or better

does such a thing exist?
thanks - Hugh
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Originally Posted by hughp3
6) reasonable pad and rotor replacement costs. Should be at least half of pccb cost or better
Don't think this will be possible, until someone makes a kit to install GM-spec (Z06 & Z/28) carbon rotors. I have no idea how these would compare with regard to longevity with the Racing Brake or PCCB parts though.
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Originally Posted by hughp3
Hello RacingBrake,

Ideally I would want the following:
1) retain stock Red calipers
Yes, these kits retain the use of stock red calipers (in fact some members indicating their preference on red than yellow calipers)
2) replace rotors and pads with your ceramics. Larger is a plus
You can keep using standard brake pad or larger pccb pads

3) excellent track use wear. should be at least 3x that of normal cast iron
This is quite possible with proper brake pad compound based on our understanding from GT-R community.

4) excellent modulation, good initial bite but not aggressive. I like Pagid Yellow RS29.
Yes, it has something to do with the brake pad compound and as the CCM technology continue to evolve I am sure the choice will be more.

5) little or no dust
This is one of the prime reasons for people going with CCM brakes
6) reasonable pad and rotor replacement costs. Should be at least half of pccb cost or better
Depending on how much pccb would cost, but if you factor in the longevity of aftermarket CCM it should be even more worth of your consideration.

In addition to what we sell, after service and our knowledge and experience on brake (both traditional iron and CCM) is another advantage customers can benefit from us.

RacingBrake is a US company located in Fullerton CA with more than 25 years in brake business where we design, develop, assemble and test our brakes.

We carry all the brake parts in stock including replacement rotor rings, brake pad, and caliper rebuilt/upgrade components, brake hardware, brake fluids, brake lines - Just about everything you can think of for your Porsche for brake maintenance and upgrade.

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Originally Posted by GrantG
Don't think this will be possible, until someone makes a kit to install GM-spec (Z06 & Z/28) carbon rotors. I have no idea how these would compare with regard to longevity with the Racing Brake or PCCB parts though.
Due to the ZR1 rotors are 393x36 (F) and 380x34 (R), so they will not fit red calipers. Although we can build a complete kit with RB calipers like this one for 991 GT3.

http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-Calipe...por-crp-02.htm

As far as I know very few tests are done and compared between stock CCM (like ZR1, Ferrari or PCCB) against Surface Transforms CCM-X discs. But one will soon happen is on Bob's GTR. Bob has ZR1 discs now with RB calipers (replacing OE Brembo) and he will be installing ST's CCM-X rotors designed and built by RB in just a few weeks.

http://www.gtrheritage.com/topic/321...gp-zr1-rotors/
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Interesting - thanks!
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Yes thanks RB. I will give this serious consideration.
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Hey Warren,
So whats the difference between RB and MovIt Brakes? No sure if the kits use different technology or if it all comes from the same place.
Thank you,
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Our CCM rotor kits use either Corvette ZR1/Camaro Z28 CCM discs or Surface Transforms CCM-X discs. We designed our own rotor hats, hardware (fasteners) for rotor assembly.

For someone want to go beyond the stock set up we have 6-piston front and rear 4-piston calipers that are designed and built to outperform most of the brake kits in the market. We put our kits in the hands of Nissan GT-R most serious track racers, and they have gone through replacing OE to aftermarket iron rotors to Corvette ZR1 CCM rotors and now with RB calipers, and soon to be ST's CCM rotors.

RacingBrake Replacement Caliper Review

Quick impression so far of RB calipers with WGP ZR1 rotors


Our philosophy in brake development is to offer stock replacement first, and progressively upgrade to a complete system as your braking demand (or budget) increased, so you don't have to spend all your big money in one purchase w/o knowing if you need all that.

Progressive upgrade also allows you to better appreciate the change of parts along with your spending, and see if it justifies your expectation or need.

All our brake pads used in our calipers are standard FMSI lining so you have freedom to choose from any brands of your preference.

In the development of our calipers for GT-R we have done some extensive research on stock Brembo (OE) and Alcon (Aftermarket) but have no knowledge of MovIt's calipers.

Here is the link to the development with feature comparison:

Ultimate Brake Upgrade for Nissan GT-R

Quick link to the feature comparison chart:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/downloa...nd%20Alcon.pdf

If there is something still not covered please feel free to ask.

Thank you.

Warren-RB

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Thanks Warren.
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We just checked the CCM rear brake set up with iron rotor and can now confirm the rear rotor can be 400mm in diameter, and the front red caliper can take 36mm thick rotor.

Therefore our CCM upgrade kit will have:

Front: 410x36mm (Same as pccb)

Rear: 390x32mm (Same as pccb)


Rear set up (simulated with iron rotor)

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It sounds like the design and testing of this kit is still in the iteration stage?

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