mcsmcs1

You just described the Ferrari dealership model, shhh

ipse dixit

I honestly don't think about it that much, if at all.

I've never wanted a car that badly. It's a car, and in this case a toy.

If I can't buy the car at a price I'm comfortable with, then I find another car to buy. Or just don't buy any car.

Jimmy-D

^^^You are correct. I heard some of the 918 guys were flipping back after taking a $5000 profit from the Dealer so the dealer could mark up and sell w/o getting themselves in to trouble with PCNA. If it is used it is free game.- Still a little shady but ipse dixit hit it on the mark.

But - I do think it is fun to point out the repeaters and abusers. I would not go to those dealerships. Integrity is very important to me. I do not ever lie to people. I am so candid some times it scares people and some times they think - no way that is true. Some times the truth is more painful to the other person than the lie. But we all have to sleep good at night so to each there own.

jcoles

Pacific Porsche has treated me right. I got on their list two months ago when they were told more allocations were coming their way but didn't know when. I got the "you're in luck" call two weeks ago and couldn't be happaier with their communication and honestly. They made me an appointment at Porsche Exclusive in Beverly Hills for my build and charged me MSRP.

orthojoe

Indeed. This does happen a lot. Dealerships have been know snag extra GT3 allocations by piggy backing off of a 918 order, even though the 918 buyer doesn't want a GT3. They 'buy back' the car and then resell above msrp.

Bford100

Best:

Circle Porsche Long Beach

Purchase history:

2011 997 GT3
2012 997 Turbo S
2013 Boxster M/T
2014 991 C4S M/T
2014 991 GT3

Worst:

Porsche of Newport Beach

Purchase history:

0

(and I live in N.B.)

Porsche-Suchtig

The key issue would be whether this is a "sham" customer or a real customer who is speculating. If it's a real customer who is speculating, then I don't see a problem legally or even ethically. But if it is a sham customer, that's another story... Legally I don't know if that's an issue. But ethically, it is IMO.

Porsche-Suchtig

Re the "918 guys" I was told I had to hold the GT3 six months before selling it. I don't know if that's true. But, I think it would be a big mistake to put up $150+K on a car that is temporarily undersupplied, and expect to make a profit six months after I get it (six months + 2 months until mine arrives = 8 months).

I'm just going to drive mine and hope that it holds its value reasonably well. Then sell it when I can take delivery of an RS. I don't expect to make a profit. I just want to have fun with the car.

P.S. On the RS, I guess it might be more likely a profit could be made if I flipped it? I'm not sure. But after getting my *** handed to me selling the RS4.0 too early in order to help fund restoration on three classic cars -- which the restorer, who was a friend, then hosed me on -- I'm not in the mood for speculating on cars right now.

NateOZ

I have a friend that buys every limited allocation Porsche and Ferrari and flips them after owning them for 6 to 12 months.

The RS4.0 was the best money he's ever made on a car and he actually owned and sold multiple of them. He could have made a lot more holding them for longer, but I think the 4.0 is a very tough benchmark.

I just buy cars for the enjoyment, i go into expecting to lose money...

My GT3 I spec'd to $164k, but it's the build I want and i'll only keep it until my RS arrives...I suspect I'll lose $20 to $30k.

carcommander

Everyone gets hosed on restorations.

Tacet-Conundrum

Really about Beverly Hills, they were willing to MSRP the GT3 for me and that was like a month ago. I guess it's just who you talk to or what salesperson you get. Although I don't know if a Salesperson has the authority to charge that much more over MSRP. I was talking directly to the Sales Manager - but you never know it could be one price one moment but when you go to sign the papers **** happens all the time. My uncle experienced that several times with dealerships in LA County. He drove down to LA from Bakersfield two different times and the prices magically changed both times. He ended up getting the Yukon he wanted from the Dealership in Bakersfield and they even went as far as trading with a dealer up north to get the Color and options he wanted. Even payed less than MSRP. Dude come on you live in Bakersfield where every other car is a Full Sized Pickup or SUV.

My Aunt and Uncle almost bought an 911 from Circle Porsche back in the later 70's, in Long Beach - they lived in Cerritos at the time, and they were dicked around so much they just went to Cerritos Auto Square and bought a Yellow Corvette. Talking about underpowered automatic California Vette with all the emissions crap added on.

LAGinz

Rusnak in Pasadena, California was very fair and upfront with me. When I first went there in in February (right before the engine debacle!), they told me their 2014 list was filled but that I could get on the 2015 list at MSRP for a $5,000 totally refundable deposit--which I did. When I periodically called, they let me know what the status of things were, and told me what number I was on the list. Last week they called with my allocation for an October build, and we're off and running! I didn't seek to delay the build to get the sports seats, since I didn't want them.

MarcusG

For anyone interested Pacific has another white car on the floor. It has the PCCB brakes, black wheels, and a few other items. MSRP is $157. They want $20k over that. Pacific.

GreenLantern

+1 for Sonnen

And +911 for Brett Payne, from Sonnen, who is a Rennlist sponsor.

YOCOHO

Good List:
Porsche of Westwood in Ma. Mike Lookner Sales Mgr.
Mike has taken great care of me during this unfortunate disaster.