GT3 Action Group - Next Steps
08-20-2014, 02:09 PM
#46
Rennlist Member
Haku: Just for the record, I still own a 997.2 GT3 and Cayenne with a letter of intent for the Cayman GT4. Furthermore I also hope to buy a Cayenne for my home in Chicago. I'm a longstanding Porsche customer and hope to remain one for the rest of my days. Additionally, the Group has actively helped prevent legal proceedings against dealers and Porsche itself. I've made it clear from the outset that the Group will play not part in that. Finally, Andrew Pine emailed me to say that at least one and hopefully two PCNA executives will meet with us tomorrow. Sorry to read that you won't make it.
08-20-2014, 02:23 PM
#47
Instructor
Thread Starter
Rest assured that credit will be given where it's due. Some dealers have gone above and beyond to help mitigate the frustration their customers have faced. Certainly feedback suggests that Ian has done a sterling job.
08-20-2014, 02:34 PM
#48
Rennlist Member
Haku: Just for the record, I still own a 997.2 GT3 and Cayenne with a letter of intent for the Cayman GT4. Furthermore I also hope to buy a Cayenne for my home in Chicago. I'm a longstanding Porsche customer and hope to remain one for the rest of my days. Additionally, the Group has actively helped prevent legal proceedings against dealers and Porsche itself. I've made it clear from the outset that the Group will play not part in that. Finally, Andrew Pine emailed me last night to say that at least one and hopefully two PCNA executives will meet with us tomorrow. Sorry to read that you won't make it.
I'm glad that PCNA aim to meet with you. As per my earlier question, what exactly is the agenda? That way one can determine whether one can in some way contribute to the issue, attend or not.
08-20-2014, 03:55 PM
#49
Rennlist Member
Silverrules, a few days ago I had a very pleasant and long chat with Sunil and can empathize with his personal issues and in particular with his dealings with his lame dealership in the UK. It is regrettable that initially he wasn't dealt with by Porsche UK in reasonable manner. Unfortunately he is also no longer a Porsche owner. So my comments are not to do with his personal undertakings which have of course been commendable.
I also empathize with those who have truly been negatively affected by the stop sale and do hope that each one will be satisfied by all the parties involved.
I have my personal views as to how Porsche AG and PCNA have handled the situation. Some things very well, some things not so. Maybe I'm entirely off the mark, but from a general perspective (not specific cases), PCNA have acted within the bounds of reasonable business practice. I know some may jump on me for stating what I just did but do compare their behavior with their peers in the automotive industry.
So on to my comment about PCNA attending the meeting. With all that has gone on and the very public indications by some to go legal with their issues, I just don't see how PCNA can attend a meeting. I would have thought just from a legal perspective they could be compromising themselves by attending. To add fuel to the fire, there is a possibility for the press to be invited by the organisers! I think many bridges may have been burnt and individual claims need to be dealt with privately. IMO, more can be accomplished that way now and would be a better way to benefit the Porsche community as a whole.
This may sound dumb of me to ask but I remain unclear about the purpose of a "general" (not specific issues) meeting with PCNA. Is it just to tell them what they did wrong?
I therefore will not be attending the meeting.
My flame suit is on and moderators feel free to ban me if you see this post as being inflammatory. It certainly is not intended to be that.
I wish all well.
I also empathize with those who have truly been negatively affected by the stop sale and do hope that each one will be satisfied by all the parties involved.
I have my personal views as to how Porsche AG and PCNA have handled the situation. Some things very well, some things not so. Maybe I'm entirely off the mark, but from a general perspective (not specific cases), PCNA have acted within the bounds of reasonable business practice. I know some may jump on me for stating what I just did but do compare their behavior with their peers in the automotive industry.
So on to my comment about PCNA attending the meeting. With all that has gone on and the very public indications by some to go legal with their issues, I just don't see how PCNA can attend a meeting. I would have thought just from a legal perspective they could be compromising themselves by attending. To add fuel to the fire, there is a possibility for the press to be invited by the organisers! I think many bridges may have been burnt and individual claims need to be dealt with privately. IMO, more can be accomplished that way now and would be a better way to benefit the Porsche community as a whole.
This may sound dumb of me to ask but I remain unclear about the purpose of a "general" (not specific issues) meeting with PCNA. Is it just to tell them what they did wrong?
I therefore will not be attending the meeting.
My flame suit is on and moderators feel free to ban me if you see this post as being inflammatory. It certainly is not intended to be that.
I wish all well.
Overall, I think Porsche has done well for its customers, more so than any other car company I have ever dealt with.I don't even need a flame suit. I am leaving this thread now and going to other threads that actually talk about the actual car and not the company or its business practices.
08-20-2014, 11:23 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
Had a nice conversation with Andrew Pine this evening. I looks like he and Tim Quinn are going to be at the meeting tomorrow! Glad to see that and I'm sure some good feedback will be on its way.
08-21-2014, 04:12 AM
#51
Instructor
Thread Starter
Andrew mentioned that he'd been speaking with you. I'm pleased to hear that you had a good conversation.
08-21-2014, 04:31 AM
#52
Rennlist Member
Sunil, gents, all the best for the meeting. I'm sorry I cannot attend (wrong hemisphere for me I am afraid). My thoughts will be with you. Without crusaders where would the world be?
08-21-2014, 10:06 AM
#53
Burning Brakes
08-21-2014, 05:36 PM
#56
Rennlist Member
08-22-2014, 03:25 AM
#59
Rennlist Member
No news on today's meeting?
08-22-2014, 03:59 AM
#60
Instructor
Thread Starter
We had two meetings and both were with Tim Quinn, VP AfterSales and Andrew Pine, Director of Customer Relations of PCNA. We had a pre-meet on Wednesday evening for an hour and a half and another Group meeting this morning for almost 3 hours.
All of us bar one have been in transit back from Atlanta today. I don't know about the others but I'm exhausted. Suffice to say for now that we all felt it was very informative, constructive and worth the trip. In fact it was worth the trip just to meet up with everyone.
Sorry for the delay but I'll write up a report just as soon as I can.
