Stop Sale?
03-17-2014, 01:06 PM
#2597
The result: We all get sheisser. Then ask for seconds when the RS comes out!
03-17-2014, 01:07 PM
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Ok.. Can someone create an Stop-Sale-Exec-Summary thread so I don't have to read thru all of this.. LOL.. Every time I log in I have to read 5 pages.. -- Then I'll read all these juicy details n stuff at night when I have time.. Ha Ha..
03-17-2014, 01:07 PM
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03-17-2014, 01:18 PM
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03-17-2014, 01:21 PM
#2602
I am a pretty patient person, but Porsche really needs to ultimately come clean and be very transparent with what issue is/was for people to have confidence going forward. For those of you who may have to negotiate compensation this piece will be key (unfortunately).
03-17-2014, 01:25 PM
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Anyone care to guess how Porsche defines 'new'? With 700+ faulty engines coming back and a need for 700+ new ones, my guess is that the returned engines will be updated and resold. If this is limited to those engines that weren't delivered, then they could be considered 'new'. Hence the need for additional new engines is 745+ minus those that were delivered. Just my 2 cents.
03-17-2014, 01:27 PM
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As advised previously, engineers at Porsche AG have been conducting
technical analysis of the Porsche 911 GT3 engine in order to find a
solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving
your car.
This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about
the cause of the problem and the planned remedial actions.
As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine
damage, causing the vehicles to catch fire.
Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused
by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the
crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw
connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of
this solution, Porsche AG is currently carrying out extensive tests.
At Porsche we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution,
therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be
installing new engines with optimized piston rod screw connections in
all 2014 Porsche 911 GT3 vehicles.
Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently
unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your Porsche
911 GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually,
as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing
you with additional information within the next three weeks.
We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs
during this time.
Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the
next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you
are reunited with your Porsche 911 GT3.
Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the Porsche
brand.
technical analysis of the Porsche 911 GT3 engine in order to find a
solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving
your car.
This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about
the cause of the problem and the planned remedial actions.
As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine
damage, causing the vehicles to catch fire.
Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused
by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the
crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw
connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of
this solution, Porsche AG is currently carrying out extensive tests.
At Porsche we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution,
therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be
installing new engines with optimized piston rod screw connections in
all 2014 Porsche 911 GT3 vehicles.
Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently
unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your Porsche
911 GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually,
as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing
you with additional information within the next three weeks.
We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs
during this time.
Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the
next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you
are reunited with your Porsche 911 GT3.
Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the Porsche
brand.
03-17-2014, 01:28 PM
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I think this is a case of a part making the grade during prototype form, then pre-production form, then failing to meet spec once into full scale production.
From my exposure to component suppliers in the auto industry, each jump (from prototype to preproduction/pilot line, then to full scale production) is notable and has attendant engineering hurdles. Sucks that this appears to be the case here.
For those bailing from the car, it's understandable. But I remain in the camp that the fix will be robust.
Long term I have concerns about the top end of the motor since the valvetrain is so new, but I think the bottom end will prove up to the task. Just my gut feel.
From my exposure to component suppliers in the auto industry, each jump (from prototype to preproduction/pilot line, then to full scale production) is notable and has attendant engineering hurdles. Sucks that this appears to be the case here.
For those bailing from the car, it's understandable. But I remain in the camp that the fix will be robust.
Long term I have concerns about the top end of the motor since the valvetrain is so new, but I think the bottom end will prove up to the task. Just my gut feel.
03-17-2014, 01:29 PM
#2607
Feels like we are still missing lots of the details here - why have some cars been stopped at production since Feb? Why have some cars seemingly moved through production and then shipped? Letter states they still need to test, so i can't imagine any cars have yet finished production with the "fix", right?
I am a pretty patient person, but Porsche really needs to ultimately come clean and be very transparent with what issue is/was for people to have confidence going forward. For those of you who may have to negotiate compensation this piece will be key (unfortunately).
I am a pretty patient person, but Porsche really needs to ultimately come clean and be very transparent with what issue is/was for people to have confidence going forward. For those of you who may have to negotiate compensation this piece will be key (unfortunately).
03-17-2014, 01:32 PM
#2608
Anyone care to guess how Porsche defines 'new'? With 700+ faulty engines coming back and a need for 700+ new ones, my guess is that the returned engines will be updated and resold. If this is limited to those engines that weren't delivered, then they could be considered 'new'. Hence the need for additional new engines is 745+ minus those that were delivered. Just my 2 cents.
I'm joking.
Sort of.
03-17-2014, 01:35 PM
#2609
As advised previously, engineers at Porsche AG have been conducting technical analysis of the Porsche 911 GT3 engine in order to find a solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving your car. This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about the cause of the problem and the planned remedial actions. As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine damage, causing the vehicles to catch fire. Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of this solution, Porsche AG is currently carrying out extensive tests. At Porsche we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution, therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be installing new engines with optimized piston rod screw connections in all 2014 Porsche 911 GT3 vehicles. Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your Porsche 911 GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually, as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing you with additional information within the next three weeks. We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs during this time. Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you are reunited with your Porsche 911 GT3. Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the Porsche brand.
03-17-2014, 01:35 PM
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The current engines are going to be pulled as an entire assembly "with ancillary parts" (disclaimer: this is speculation) so yes I don't think PAG is just going to throw them away. Probably some engineering analysis, gather up data then "refurb" and throw those engines in the new RS!
I'm joking.
Sort of.
I'm joking.
Sort of.
