markow

i had an M5 F10, sort of liked it for what it was (fast cruiser) but - as a driver felt totally left out of the equation - sold it and bought an F458.
i do not see what the M4 will have in common with the GT3. it is opposing worlds.
peter

RobSpyder

I have one too...it sits in the garage collecting dust most days. I need to just bite the massive depreciation bullet and get rid of it.

sunnyr

I think it looks good.

MaxLTV

If it's DIN weight, it's only 65kg heavier than 991 GT3, and if it's EU weight, it's actually a bit lighter that GT3... Either one is hard to believe and makes it a strong contender. It's not going to be faster, of course, but it's going to be 1/2 of the price, will have free maintenance and no warranty issues due to tracking (I am not implying Porsche has them, but it was a concern with GT3 for some here). I am sure BMW will make the engine work. They just need to make a smaller and sportier car.

Manifold

Given how light it is, I have some hope that this could be a good combo DD and track car.

10 GT3

I will be really surprised if it is not north of 3600 lbs

mooty

in architecture, we call all the excess detail articulitis..
i think i'll take a rusty 914-4 over that M4.
going to ophthalmologist tomorrow, my eyes hurt.

TomTom77

Haha, me too. The M3 Saloon, that is. She wants 4 doors, don't ask me why...

However, knowing BMW's pricing in Dubai, I expect the M4's price to be only 20% or so below the base 991 GT3 price... which is just plain ridiculous and makes the car a lot less interesting, just out of principle!

With the reduced weight though, the new one will probably quicker in the mountains than the 1M, something the old M3 never managed...

TomTom77

I fully agree with you regarding the latest M5 and M6, let alone those XxMs.

The parts-bin 1M however... I wouldn't even parts-exchange mine for a brand new M6 with closed wallets!

0Q991

^^+1.

1198r

JohnnyBahamas

bi-turbo !

OK, not the elegant beauty of a high red line NA but for those of us who live and habitually drive at altitudes above 7000' that turbo motor torque, an honest six-speed, and (fingers crossed) BMW's "put it on a dime" steering make this, if true at 3200 lbs.?!, a serious option.

Very exciting car.

Approx. 3200 lbs.? Oh please, oh please, oh please....

0Q991

@johnnybahamas -- fingers need to be crossed hard since it'll have BMW's electric steering...

RobSpyder

Which thus far has been pathetic. Even the hydraulic steering in the M5 is distant and uncommunicative. The ///M manuals of late are also very disconnected in feel. Just because there is a 3rd pedal, doesn't mean it's any good.

I think I'd just take BMW's DCT on this car. It's exceptionally good and the manual is horribly paired with the turbo engines. Build boost, press very light distant pedal, pull extremely rubbery long throw shift ****, at this point all boost is gone and lag into next gear. DCT all the way with the new Ms

ShakeNBake

My experience putting 20K track miles on my E90...in texas, is that it's a good compromise for a DD. The E90 was a massive step up over the E46 in terms of grip. If you leave your AC on, then, sure, it overheats very quickly. If you use the heater core it will give a good 8 laps in 100 degree ambient driven flat out (DCT makes things worse, you can drive it much harder and keep it at redline most of the time). At TWS it was good for consistent 1:56s bone stock with NT01s and race pads, and with a baby/toddler seat in the back. Compare this to the GT3RS crowd that passed through there running 52-54s. And zero mechanical issues....compared to the 40K warranty bill my RS just went through after just 3K miles of ownership.

That said, I am not optimistic about the F30. A standard BMW engine with more boost/more turbos vs a bespoke 8.5K zinger. No doubt they will also be pumping up the engine noise through the stereo like the M5/M6.

I would much rather a 991GT with a backseat.