Should I upgrade my GT4 to the new manual GT3??
03-28-2017, 12:12 PM
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03-28-2017, 03:35 PM
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Yeah, I am sure you are right about the GT3 being easy to manage at a faster pace. I just hope it's not too easy. My 73 911 feels Much faster at 2:05 laptime than my GT4 does at 2:02 and it's so much more involving, exciting, and fun. Hope the GT3 maintains enough of an edge to stay rewarding and just scary enough to get the adrenaline pumping (I bet it will) 
I would agree with you (and probably everyone) that it is easier to "go fast" in the newer 911 cars than the old ones. But I would have to say from personal experience, having owned 7 early 911 hot rods from 1966-1974 over the last 20 years and driving them all at the limit on track, it is "easy" to drive a 991 GT3 faster than any of them, but it is just as challenging to drive the new GT3 close to the limit, because it is so much faster and the limits are so much higher. It may be "easy" to drive, but it is more difficult to wring the maximum out of it consistently because it is so damn fast. And I would have to say I am amazed at how lively, involving, and exhilarating the driving experience is in the 991 GT3 at the limit. It reminds me very much of my old '67 911S on super-steroids, despite weighing 1000 lbs. more. It is definitely not just a car "for rich mums on the school run and rich guys with no real interest in driving," as claimed above. That's my $0.02, and worth everything you paid for it.
Nothing wrong with a little nostalgia and an appreciation of how things used to be, I have that myself. But the Porsche engineers have not forgotten how to build a driver's car, despite the industry requirements for safety, comfort, emissions, etc. these days. The 991 GT3 can still make my heart pound and my mind meld with it when I flog it hard, despite it's computer-controlled complexity and it's ability to drive like your grandmother's sedan on the street. It's really quite an astonishing car.
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03-28-2017, 03:43 PM
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03-28-2017, 03:59 PM
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not exactly empirical, but when my GT4 blew up at MSR cresson a few weeks ago, an amazing human being handed me the keys to his MX5 Cup car (playboy series). I had a blast - and even in that car there were 991GT3s that had to let me by. You don't need HP to have fun (if you do you'll wake up one morning in a GT2RS).
Congrats on the move! I hope to be there with the .2.
Congrats on the move! I hope to be there with the .2.
03-28-2017, 04:03 PM
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03-28-2017, 05:18 PM
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not exactly empirical, but when my GT4 blew up at MSR cresson a few weeks ago, an amazing human being handed me the keys to his MX5 Cup car (playboy series). I had a blast - and even in that car there were 991GT3s that had to let me by. You don't need HP to have fun (if you do you'll wake up one morning in a GT2RS).
Congrats on the move! I hope to be there with the .2.
Congrats on the move! I hope to be there with the .2.
07-03-2017, 11:11 AM
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Just resurrecting this thread to seek out more comments.
I do have a confirmed Manual GT3 allocation with February delivery that I almost certainly will take. I will probably keep the GT4 for now and decide which one I keep after I have them both.
I sat in a turboS this weekend and I must say I like the cockpit feel of the GT4 better. But, the new GT3 engine, better gearing ratios and better lower end torque are strong selling points for me.
Cosmetically I like the GT3 from behind better but from other views, GT4 wins for me.
I'm really unsure which one I will keep.
Upgrading the GT4 with Fabspeed package and calling it a day is an option.....
I do have a confirmed Manual GT3 allocation with February delivery that I almost certainly will take. I will probably keep the GT4 for now and decide which one I keep after I have them both.
I sat in a turboS this weekend and I must say I like the cockpit feel of the GT4 better. But, the new GT3 engine, better gearing ratios and better lower end torque are strong selling points for me.
Cosmetically I like the GT3 from behind better but from other views, GT4 wins for me.
I'm really unsure which one I will keep.
Upgrading the GT4 with Fabspeed package and calling it a day is an option.....
07-03-2017, 12:04 PM
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Did you experienced already ones a 991.1 GT3 or RS - or 997 3.8 GT3 engine?
If not - i guess you will sit in the near future only in the 991.2GT3 and you will sell your GT4.
If yes - you should upgrade your GT4 in the first day. Because than you really like the concept of the Cayman a lot.
Did you experienced already ones a 991.1 GT3 or RS - or 997 3.8 GT3 engine?
If not - i guess you will sit in the near future only in the 991.2GT3 and you will sell your GT4.
If yes - you should upgrade your GT4 in the first day. Because than you really like the concept of the Cayman a lot.
07-03-2017, 05:45 PM
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The Cayman is the superior platform, but Porsche neutered it on purpose, to avoid stepping on the 911s toes. Even Porsche thought it was time to let the 911 go, replacing it with the 928. Nobody else has built, or is building a rear-engine car for a reason
. Yes, Porsche has done miracles with it, but the issue with me is how the car FEELS, not that it's extremely capable, which it is. Anyway, as several folks already commented, the answer to swap it or not depends if you like how the 911 feels, not only in terms of balance (Cayman is better, obviously), but size and looks. And if you need the extra performance afforded by the GT3. The real dilemma for most of us is the engine. If Porsche offered that engine on the Cayman, along with the GT3's suspension upgrades, I suspect the GT3 would be dead. The reality is you have to choose between 2 flawed alternatives, so make your list of pros and cons, and make that determination yourself. My guess is Porsche will have no choice but to offer a mid-engine '911' in the future, as evidenced by the RSR. The rear-engine 911 already is at its limits, and the competition keeps improving. At any rate, good luck with your decision.
. Yes, Porsche has done miracles with it, but the issue with me is how the car FEELS, not that it's extremely capable, which it is. Anyway, as several folks already commented, the answer to swap it or not depends if you like how the 911 feels, not only in terms of balance (Cayman is better, obviously), but size and looks. And if you need the extra performance afforded by the GT3. The real dilemma for most of us is the engine. If Porsche offered that engine on the Cayman, along with the GT3's suspension upgrades, I suspect the GT3 would be dead. The reality is you have to choose between 2 flawed alternatives, so make your list of pros and cons, and make that determination yourself. My guess is Porsche will have no choice but to offer a mid-engine '911' in the future, as evidenced by the RSR. The rear-engine 911 already is at its limits, and the competition keeps improving. At any rate, good luck with your decision.
07-03-2017, 07:52 PM
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The more I drive the GT4 (and especially after a recent back to back experience with a 991.2 GTS) the more I am convinced that I will find a way to keep it regardless of whatever else I buy.
The new car shinyness may have diminished somewhat, but I really feel its beginning to age like a fine wine.
The new car shinyness may have diminished somewhat, but I really feel its beginning to age like a fine wine.