McLaren Success
01-10-2017, 09:25 PM
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Interesting, CJ. Sounds like Porsche is putting its best foot forward with the next GT2 RS (from some of the impressive rumors) in an effort to keep some of these customers from jumping ship. Porsche hasn't really had something that can run with a 675 as well as the 2RS may (but 720 on the way also)...
would be curious to know if its performance vs ease of buying/owning a porsche?
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01-10-2017, 09:33 PM
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I have a deposit down on a P14 and couldn't be more excited. Will be interesting to see how the GT2 RS fares against this mid engine, carbon tubbed V8. I never underestimate Porsche but I suspect the bar will be raised very high this year.
01-10-2017, 11:23 PM
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* I'd say 50% of our McLaren buyers are either GT3 owners or stepping up from GT3 /RS cars into a McLaren.
* focused on performance, and not status- we don't get drug dealer club promoter types nor do we get the flashy "business leasers" that I see at BMW, Mercedes and some of those brands. Generally our customers are relatively established, 45-55 yr old guys that LOVE driving and putting miles on their cars.
* I'd say 50% of our McLaren buyers are either GT3 owners or stepping up from GT3 /RS cars into a McLaren.
* focused on performance, and not status- we don't get drug dealer club promoter types nor do we get the flashy "business leasers" that I see at BMW, Mercedes and some of those brands. Generally our customers are relatively established, 45-55 yr old guys that LOVE driving and putting miles on their cars.
01-11-2017, 04:30 AM
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The 2 big offs that I have seen at Silverstone last year, could have been avoided imv, had the cars been on a ramp before the events....
01-11-2017, 12:22 PM
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01-11-2017, 12:30 PM
#37
McLaren has been very smart in their choice of time to enter the market, the price point toward the customer and technology.
The way they did it they never have to bother with anything but a carbon fiber tub. I expect that progress in material science will make all sports cars end up with some sort of CF base. That way they have a headstart in CF, a relationship with factories, never spent money on a metal base.
If they are financially stable they can just sit there and wait for materials progress to lower their prices to be more inclusive to new customer groups.
Plus those ***** sound awesome.
The way they did it they never have to bother with anything but a carbon fiber tub. I expect that progress in material science will make all sports cars end up with some sort of CF base. That way they have a headstart in CF, a relationship with factories, never spent money on a metal base.
If they are financially stable they can just sit there and wait for materials progress to lower their prices to be more inclusive to new customer groups.
Plus those ***** sound awesome.
01-11-2017, 08:33 PM
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01-12-2017, 04:39 AM
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No I am saying that if you are doing a 2 day weekend, then you only need one pre and one post inspection. not one every single time. that would be impractical.
01-12-2017, 04:41 AM
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Very true. Worth noting that McLaren's decision to produce cars coincided with a large investment from foreign investors. Mclaren's investor situation may actually make them better situated than some of their competitors in the event of an economic downturn. Plus they also do a decent amount of consulting and engineering through McLaren Applied Technologies.
For low production cars, carbon fiber costs less than aluminum. Any performance difference between the two has more to do with design than material selection. For example, the Lotus Elise aluminum chassis weighs 150 pounds whereas the Alfa Romeo 4C Spider carbon fiber chassis weighs 236 pounds (Coupe chassis weighs 143 pounds). If the 4C Spider chassis has the same torsional rigidity as the Coupe, then it weighs 45% more than the Elise chassis but only has 27% more torsional rigidity.
For low production cars, carbon fiber costs less than aluminum. Any performance difference between the two has more to do with design than material selection. For example, the Lotus Elise aluminum chassis weighs 150 pounds whereas the Alfa Romeo 4C Spider carbon fiber chassis weighs 236 pounds (Coupe chassis weighs 143 pounds). If the 4C Spider chassis has the same torsional rigidity as the Coupe, then it weighs 45% more than the Elise chassis but only has 27% more torsional rigidity.
The reality is that making a massive set of tooling and stamping for small volume is totally preposterously expensive.
CF allows you to effectively rapid prototype the cars and during development you can make fairly drastic changes to 10 varieties of stuff and have zero issues because the CF shape itself is malleable before the autoclave.
"hey this prototype handles like crap"
-oh, lets try mounting this next one like so..
etc
01-12-2017, 04:46 AM
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personally I think the 570GT is the prettiest car that offers the biggest compliment to the guy that has a track car/mixed use car. It's super comfortable, super exotic, and super luxurious. Has a magic carpet ride and room for luggage.
if you have only one sports car, and a truck or an suv as your second- then the 570S is a much more "track worthy" type car vs the GT. That being said- the 650S really still is a lot faster than the 570s in regards to lap times due to the bigger tires and more track set hydraulic suspension.
lots of options. my suggestion is to drive a few different models and see what speaks to you the most.
*if you drive the 570S on the track, you have to go ESC off*
01-12-2017, 06:00 AM
#44
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Now that we're on the topic of Macca.
How reliable are they - Mclaren in general, 570s specific - on track ?
I've heard several horror stories about heat soak, melting stuff, onboard computer throwing errors, change disks and pads, every 1-2 trackdays. Never seen a Macca do an entire trackday at my local track, always some sessions and than they seem to disappear. Is this any better with the 570s than it was with the 12c and 650s ?
I quite like the 570s, and I've considered getting one instead of the oncoming .2GT3, but the stories have kept me from following through with that plan ...
Little bit of my topic: just like CAlexio I do find the GT body style A LOT prettier :-)
How reliable are they - Mclaren in general, 570s specific - on track ?
I've heard several horror stories about heat soak, melting stuff, onboard computer throwing errors, change disks and pads, every 1-2 trackdays. Never seen a Macca do an entire trackday at my local track, always some sessions and than they seem to disappear. Is this any better with the 570s than it was with the 12c and 650s ?
I quite like the 570s, and I've considered getting one instead of the oncoming .2GT3, but the stories have kept me from following through with that plan ...
Little bit of my topic: just like CAlexio I do find the GT body style A LOT prettier :-)
