991.2 GTS, GT3, GT2, GT3 RS, Mission E - Update
01-21-2017, 12:44 PM
#871
Three Wheelin'
I agree - the GTS does 7:22 with Corsas which are not as fast a true R-compound DOT track tire. Pretty stunning for a fairly heavy car with only 450hp and only 6 performance gears on street tires. I expect the new GT3 to be faster than 7:22 (I'm not sure where GTS would fall with equal tires relative to current RS and next GT3, but I guess that's why Porsche doesn't offer them with equal tires 
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01-21-2017, 12:57 PM
#872
Nordschleife Master
01-21-2017, 12:59 PM
#873
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See Avatar to left. Sums RS up.
01-21-2017, 01:15 PM
#874
Drifting
Porsche would raise their prices to pass the vast majority (not all) of the tariff on to us consumers, and they would also sell less cars here. Meanwhile, the collected tariff would go into government coffers and effectively be a large added tax.
Could it be that Germans are successful at selling cars around the world because they know how to make good cars and deserve their success? Does any car made in America truly rival Porsche in terms of design, performance, proven trackworthiness, durability, etc.?
Could it be that Germans are successful at selling cars around the world because they know how to make good cars and deserve their success? Does any car made in America truly rival Porsche in terms of design, performance, proven trackworthiness, durability, etc.?
A producer/manufacturer/seller CANNOT "pass along" the entirety of a tax or tariff unless the demand curve is vertical, i.e. inelastic, i.e. consumers are not sensitive to price. E.g., a life saving pharma drug (topical example)
In the GT3 marketplace (as well as the marketplace for essentially every product ever made), demand declines as prices rise. If Porsche could sell x units of a GT3 at $150K, they can only sell some number less than x at $202.5K (135% of the previous price) - that is how the manufacturer suffers, as they are only collecting $150K of revenue on some number of units less than the original number x.
As far as whether or not any car made in America can compete with the holy grail of Porsche, I think it's fair to compare what the engineers can do with similar or unconstrained budgets (ie, factory racing).
Similar street car budget - do you want a 4 banger Cayman with a few options that are standard on any other car in the price strata? It will also sound like a Subaru... vs. ... a C7 Grandsport or stripper Z06?
Similar factory racing budget (ie, unconstrained) - Corvette finished 1-2 at Daytona last year and won the title in IMSA. Porsche has a brand new car. We'll see.
01-21-2017, 01:29 PM
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^ I don't see any contradiction - tariff means Porsche sells less cars here, and we pay more for them, while the government collects money. Both manufacturer and consumer suffer.
Regarding comparing cars, racing outcomes are nice, but we're comparing production cars for use on road and track. US offers nothing that truly competes with Porsche, considering all factors. For that matter, neither do other manufacturers, though AMG may be getting there, and M4 GTS was also a decent effort. Viper ACR dominates on the track, but not well liked for road use. Vette is a muscle car which can put down fast laps when the car works, but I see too many of them being worked on in the paddock rather than circulating the track. GT350R appeals, but a big car, so not in the Porsche niche either.
We need cars that are smallish, light, fast, reliable/durable on track, precise, fun, and priced well below exotics. Porsche continues to dominate here because their engineering expertise is superior.
Regarding comparing cars, racing outcomes are nice, but we're comparing production cars for use on road and track. US offers nothing that truly competes with Porsche, considering all factors. For that matter, neither do other manufacturers, though AMG may be getting there, and M4 GTS was also a decent effort. Viper ACR dominates on the track, but not well liked for road use. Vette is a muscle car which can put down fast laps when the car works, but I see too many of them being worked on in the paddock rather than circulating the track. GT350R appeals, but a big car, so not in the Porsche niche either.
We need cars that are smallish, light, fast, reliable/durable on track, precise, fun, and priced well below exotics. Porsche continues to dominate here because their engineering expertise is superior.
01-21-2017, 01:39 PM
#876
Instructor
^ I don't see any contradiction - tariff means Porsche sells less cars here, and we pay more for them, while the government collects money. Both manufacturer and consumer suffer.
Regarding comparing cars, racing outcomes are nice, but we're comparing production cars for use on road and track. US offers nothing that truly competes with Porsche, considering all factors. For that matter, neither do other manufacturers, though AMG may be getting there, and M4 GTS was also a decent effort. Viper ACR dominates on the track, but not well liked for road use. Vette is a muscle car which can put down fast laps when the car works, but I see too many of them being worked on in the paddock rather than circulating the track. GT350R appeals, but a big car, so not in the Porsche niche either.
We need cars that are smallish, light, fast, reliable/durable on track, precise, fun, and priced well below exotics. Porsche continues to dominate here because their engineering expertise is superior.
Regarding comparing cars, racing outcomes are nice, but we're comparing production cars for use on road and track. US offers nothing that truly competes with Porsche, considering all factors. For that matter, neither do other manufacturers, though AMG may be getting there, and M4 GTS was also a decent effort. Viper ACR dominates on the track, but not well liked for road use. Vette is a muscle car which can put down fast laps when the car works, but I see too many of them being worked on in the paddock rather than circulating the track. GT350R appeals, but a big car, so not in the Porsche niche either.
We need cars that are smallish, light, fast, reliable/durable on track, precise, fun, and priced well below exotics. Porsche continues to dominate here because their engineering expertise is superior.
01-21-2017, 02:53 PM
#877
How about getting the 991.2 gt3 in manual with personal sills
Or at the side skirts
"Flappy paddles are for grandmas" -Andreas Preuniger
Or at the side skirts
"Flappy paddles are for grandmas" -Andreas Preuniger
01-21-2017, 04:24 PM
#878
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Grant. Thanks for the tire update. I do look forward to that. Id liek to try those new tyres om my 991.1 GT3 before I get a 991.2 GT3. Hopefully they will release them before the cars start arriving...I believe the rims will be the same size/design.
01-21-2017, 04:37 PM
#879
Race Car
01-21-2017, 04:39 PM
#880
Race Car
The N1 for the RS is grippier then the N0 for the 918 ... so as you say, even a new N2 could be very interesting.
01-21-2017, 06:02 PM
#881
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We have been waiting a long time. I suspect this is the most likely path Michelin would take. Hopefully the price doesn't increase. It's sending me broke already!
01-21-2017, 06:14 PM
#882
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Very, very close.
Beyond Geneva.
I wonder of a manual naturally aspirated convertible. In the past Porsche was willing to cut off some windshield, put in a GT-ish engine, charge a lot and call it a "Roadster".
01-21-2017, 06:36 PM
#883
What is it about the speedster i dont understand?
Maybe a build flirting w the 993 gt2 that would be something!
Maybe a build flirting w the 993 gt2 that would be something!
01-21-2017, 07:55 PM
#885
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