991 GT3 RS production numbers?
01-20-2017, 01:41 AM
#241
Rennlist Member
Asia isn't as big as some think.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
01-20-2017, 06:23 AM
#242
Originally Posted by CRex
Asia isn't as big as some think.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
Porsche hopes for a big increase in sales of the new 991.2!
3.0l engines in China is the limit before you get pounded on taxes/fees.
01-20-2017, 07:41 AM
#243
Asia isn't as big as some think.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
Build time for the Mezger is nearly 8 hours. Build time is substantially lower for the 991 GT engine.
01-20-2017, 11:05 AM
#244
Drifting
I'm glad for the increased production. Without it I wouldn't have a beautiful shiny new RS in my garage! Thanks Porsche. Keep up the good work. Cars are to drive, not gold bars to put in the safe. Now, where's my 6 speed GT3?
01-20-2017, 03:54 PM
#245
Nordschleife Master
Asia isn't as big as some think.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
China had last-minute homologation issues so *not a single* 991.1 GT3 RS was sold there. The whole allocation went to Hong Kong and Macau. Which is about 100-120 cars by rough estimate. That number was about 4x the total 997.2 and 3x the 997.1RS. For completeness, neither of the 997 RSes were offered to China back in the day.
One cannot extrapolate the 100-120 number across geographies, as that trivializes the country allocation process at PAG.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that Malaysia also got a very significant allocation at launch--almost 20 if I count from their launch at Sepang. That's more than the combined population of 997.1 and 997.2 RS in Malaysia currently known.
All of the above suggests that 991 production run has increased substantially above 997 levels. Is it 3,000 or 4,000? Only PAG will know. My potato-math-guess would be a high-3 number...
Enjoy this car for the technical marvel it is. But please do not tell us about rarity/scarcity or how it's gonna hold value or even appreciate anytime soon.
They seem be holding their value at present. As to the future? Can't tell you. My crystal ball is busted. 
In the mean time I love and enjoy owning this thing!
01-20-2017, 05:26 PM
#246
Rennlist Member
if 1409 991.1GT3RS are nearly a triple of sold 997.2 GT3RS in NA.
how many 997.2 GT3 RS where made? i do have in mind. around 1.800ww?
it would mean more like 30% (not 40 or even 50%) of ww RS are shipped to NA.
would further lead to 4500+ RS ww. which i guess is more correct as 3500. maybe 4500 is even to less...
how many 997.2 GT3 RS where made? i do have in mind. around 1.800ww?
it would mean more like 30% (not 40 or even 50%) of ww RS are shipped to NA.
would further lead to 4500+ RS ww. which i guess is more correct as 3500. maybe 4500 is even to less...
01-20-2017, 05:31 PM
#247
Rennlist Member
The 991GT3RS is a far superior car in every way than the 997RS. Its demand was off the charts. Further, not only is PDK/S a supier perfomarnce trans it brings more drivers into the fold since those who were intimidated by a 3 pedal are more inclined buy the car now.
This is interesting info. As I recall orignal production world wide was supposed to be around 1500 - 2000 or so. Original U.S. production was to be around 1000 if I recall. This means they increased production by only 33% for U.S. The U.S. is the largest market I think so this leads me to conclude maybe 3000 to 3500 ww is more like it.
This is interesting info. As I recall orignal production world wide was supposed to be around 1500 - 2000 or so. Original U.S. production was to be around 1000 if I recall. This means they increased production by only 33% for U.S. The U.S. is the largest market I think so this leads me to conclude maybe 3000 to 3500 ww is more like it.
01-20-2017, 05:41 PM
#248
Nordschleife Master
Availability of PDK is the reason why this happened. Less than 10% of Porsche 911 sales are now with a manual. Even though 'enthusiasts' pretend they're very interested in these, sales speak for themselves. I'm happy the manual is coming back on the 991.2 GT3 as I don't know what I'm going to do going forward as I would only consider PDK for a family car/winter beater. I wonder how many of us are out there collecting manuals... So far I have an F430 manual, 997.2 Turbo manual, and 997.2 GT3 RS. The last of the manuals. Looking to add the Viper GTS-R in the Spring, and 991.2 GT3 as I figure they will be the last GT3 and Viper manuals as well. My collection may be ending early until I learn to accept the PDK and it's less involving characteristics. No need to discuss that here. It's been done too many times already. haha
I agree, total production WW is between 3000 and 4000 units for 991RS. Loess has about 1400 here in U.S.
01-20-2017, 06:28 PM
#250
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01-21-2017, 01:38 AM
#251
To simple to say that PDK is the only reason for boost of sales of 991gt cars.
*Cars are way more comfortable
*Economy is totally different than 2010-2011
*Hype in price in former gt cars just before 991gt was released meant opportunity to make profit.
*Cars are way more comfortable
*Economy is totally different than 2010-2011
*Hype in price in former gt cars just before 991gt was released meant opportunity to make profit.
01-21-2017, 10:16 AM
#253
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by 997rs4.0
To simple to say that PDK is the only reason for boost of sales of 991gt cars.
*Cars are way more comfortable
*Economy is totally different than 2010-2011
*Hype in price in former gt cars just before 991gt was released meant opportunity to make profit.
*Cars are way more comfortable
*Economy is totally different than 2010-2011
*Hype in price in former gt cars just before 991gt was released meant opportunity to make profit.
PDK the #2 reason, made the car more accessible / tapped a much larger market. We've endlessly debated the pros and cons of that...
01-21-2017, 10:48 AM
#254
Nordschleife Master
I agree...cheap $$$, great economy and PDK
02-03-2017, 03:51 PM
#255
Rennlist Member
It's still #3339. I haven't seen any later vins since December 16. Some earlier vins are turning up but the approx. 1525 number for NA includes the ones I'm missing. The only way I think I could be out by more than a few cars is if there is an entirely different string of cars that I haven't seen or heard of.
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Is the count still 1525?
Thanks again for being the keeper of the info!
