OT: AMG GT R
12-10-2016, 09:03 AM
#62
Rennlist Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Posts: 12,438
Received 3,785 Likes
on
2,193 Posts
I predict that the AMG GT-R will beat the RS at every track.
12-10-2016, 09:21 AM
#63
Drifting
Power helps, but grip usually is the biggest factor. When grip is increased by aero, the power is needed to overcome aero drag. This is the formula for the king of the hill, the Viper ACR. It's the main reason for the RS being faster than the GT3. And it's the reason why the GT4 isn't a lot slower than the GT3 (especially when the GT4 is set up well), despite being down 90 hp. I predict that the AMG GT-R will beat the RS at every track.
these things have been winning VLN races for years an putting the hurt on Porsche. Once you get past their unique look you kind of start liking them. The new Weathertech car looks hella cool...
12-10-2016, 10:10 AM
#64
Platinum Dealership
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor
Having seen this car in person and the race car...this time is legit no doubt. No doubt this car will be faster for a lot of people vs the 3RS or next gen 3RS.
BIG ISSUE: will it stand up to the abuse that an RS does?
The Mercedes has:
Rear steering
Active aero including an F-duct for drag reduction
Monster lower diffuser for way more grip than the car should have
100 HP extra vs the GT3RS
Way more sophisticated TCS/ ESC and Suspension electronics.
The GTD IMSA car will be pretty unstoppable especially with Riley running it.
BIG ISSUE: will it stand up to the abuse that an RS does?
The Mercedes has:
Rear steering
Active aero including an F-duct for drag reduction
Monster lower diffuser for way more grip than the car should have
100 HP extra vs the GT3RS
Way more sophisticated TCS/ ESC and Suspension electronics.
The GTD IMSA car will be pretty unstoppable especially with Riley running it.
12-10-2016, 11:35 AM
#65
Nordschleife Master
Having seen this car in person and the race car...this time is legit no doubt. No doubt this car will be faster for a lot of people vs the 3RS or next gen 3RS.
BIG ISSUE: will it stand up to the abuse that an RS does?
The Mercedes has:
Rear steering
Active aero including an F-duct for drag reduction
Monster lower diffuser for way more grip than the car should have
100 HP extra vs the GT3RS
Way more sophisticated TCS/ ESC and Suspension electronics.
The GTD IMSA car will be pretty unstoppable especially with Riley running it.
BIG ISSUE: will it stand up to the abuse that an RS does?
The Mercedes has:
Rear steering
Active aero including an F-duct for drag reduction
Monster lower diffuser for way more grip than the car should have
100 HP extra vs the GT3RS
Way more sophisticated TCS/ ESC and Suspension electronics.
The GTD IMSA car will be pretty unstoppable especially with Riley running it.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
12-10-2016, 01:47 PM
#66
I left the 'or...' open because most cars now (at any price) are devoid of the driving experience Porsche offers, whether more powerful or not. Since I can only afford one sports car, the driving experience will always take precedence over power or speed, no matter how bigger the differences are
. And yes, it's also more enjoyable to drive a slower car fast, than a super fast car slow
.
. And yes, it's also more enjoyable to drive a slower car fast, than a super fast car slow.
12-10-2016, 03:05 PM
#67
CJ: As always thanks for the info. You definitely have your finger on the pulse of this stuff.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
12-10-2016, 05:17 PM
#68
Advanced
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
CJ: As always thanks for the info. You definitely have your finger on the pulse of this stuff.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
I had one of the 1st GT S E1 cars and it faltered on the track - typical Turbo car issues, and frankly I broke it bad enough AMG bought it back. But I will say it was a Ton of fun on the track - very engaging car.
Can I say my RS is better - Absolutely - but R is so different then GTS
What AMG has done with this car is impressive. I will get one of the 1st R's this spring and will run it side by side with the RS and give my honest feedback - but I have a feeling the R will be faster most of the time based on what I know. Feel / Fun factor is a bit subjective but I'll gladly tell you my thoughts once I drive it. I think AMG engineering has something to prove.
P.S. - Wouldn't trade my RS unless they threw in an S-coupe
12-10-2016, 06:43 PM
#69
CJ: As always thanks for the info. You definitely have your finger on the pulse of this stuff.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
I don't doubt the performance envelope with a TT 4.0 and some of the tech advantages of the AMG R over the '16 GT3RS.
MB will be producing as many as they can. I expect them to be quite prolific and you will be seeing them at your local car wash in 2 years.
To me its a Nissan GTR wtih a TTV8 and even more whiz bang tech.
Guys here complain when a GT3 has PDK and pee in their pants at the thought of TT. Do you want ever increasing speed or the driving experience? Seems like we have reached the "fork in the road". Either you want the driving experience and feel or you want ever faster and faster regardless of whether it takes human input out of the equation to get there.
Pick one.
Even with the AMG GT R's tech advantage and power advantage the RS will still be competitive at various tracks my bet. Plus the driving experience of an RS or GT3 is part of the package you buy with a Porsche. MB hasn't figured a way yet to deliver that driver experience and feel. The old slogan comes to mind. "Porsche..There is no substitute".
So who here would trade their RS for the AMG GT R? Post up.
Not me.
12-10-2016, 08:22 PM
#70
Nordschleife Master
Just some insight - There will be less than 200 GT R to the US per year - that is the plan. I'm sure that could change but unlikely. Approx 3 year run.
I had one of the 1st GT S E1 cars and it faltered on the track - typical Turbo car issues, and frankly I broke it bad enough AMG bought it back. But I will say it was a Ton of fun on the track - very engaging car.
Can I say my RS is better - Absolutely - but R is so different then GTS
What AMG has done with this car is impressive. I will get one of the 1st R's this spring and will run it side by side with the RS and give my honest feedback - but I have a feeling the R will be faster most of the time based on what I know. Feel / Fun factor is a bit subjective but I'll gladly tell you my thoughts once I drive it. I think AMG engineering has something to prove.
P.S. - Wouldn't trade my RS unless they threw in an S-coupe
I had one of the 1st GT S E1 cars and it faltered on the track - typical Turbo car issues, and frankly I broke it bad enough AMG bought it back. But I will say it was a Ton of fun on the track - very engaging car.
Can I say my RS is better - Absolutely - but R is so different then GTS
What AMG has done with this car is impressive. I will get one of the 1st R's this spring and will run it side by side with the RS and give my honest feedback - but I have a feeling the R will be faster most of the time based on what I know. Feel / Fun factor is a bit subjective but I'll gladly tell you my thoughts once I drive it. I think AMG engineering has something to prove.
P.S. - Wouldn't trade my RS unless they threw in an S-coupe
12-10-2016, 09:12 PM
#71
12-10-2016, 09:21 PM
#72
Race Director
12-10-2016, 09:32 PM
#73
Race Director
Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
True- now why did Porsche go electronic??
12-10-2016, 09:50 PM
#75
. The good news is the newest rack is reportedly (never owned a Porsche before my 2016) as good as any hydraulic unit.. and it feels that way to me.