911R Driving Impressions
10-14-2016, 12:05 PM
#62
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
Would be interesting to know how many owners drive without the sport button engaged. I've found heel and toeing is most effective under hard braking (ie. at a track), and not under street driving conditions. My guess is that most manual Porsches with a sport mode are essentially driven like PDK's anyways, with the added task of pressing the third pedal.
10-14-2016, 01:32 PM
#63
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its that human emotion called jealousy and you can see it at work a mile away. he didn't / can't get one. so he vents and shts on other ppl's threads to make himself feel better about it. but it doesn't work. i think there are a few of these sad sobs on here that have emerged this year and its making this forum lame.
Jealous? Nope. Perfectly happy with my RS and wouldn't trade it for an R except to sell it buy another R and bank the difference. Just pointing out his "driving impressions" voiced subjective views as "fact" as to the R being more "special". So small minded people start with the personal attacks. I didn't want an R and still don't. No interest in one. See I don't sht on other peoples threads unless there's something in there shting on what I own then call BS when I see it. If the forum is so lame help yourself out.
10-14-2016, 01:43 PM
#64
Nordschleife Master
Dude, the title of the whole f$cking thread is 911R Driving Impressions! You're the only one in this thread interpreting his comments as if they were statements of fact. And I'm not accepting anything he said as fact, rather I'm reading those as his impressions, because I have a reasonable command of the English language and i know the difference between the word impression and fact.
Some of what he stated would be driving impression. The part I took issue with was not driving impression but his "opinion" stated as though it were fact. I have no issue with anyone stating their opinion is X. Thats fair. But don't make a statement which is opinion as though it were fact.
Wtdoom's post also points out the OP driving impressions were a little over the top hyperbole drifting far afield from "driving impressions". GT4 are also now "puppys".
Brush up on your "command" of the english language.
Oh, and by the way I received PM's from some other RS owners agreeing with me and taking issue with the statement in question.
I call BS when I see it. Just called it.
10-14-2016, 01:45 PM
#65
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Interesting reading everyone’s comments, especially stout's - thank you.
I certainly did not intend to put RS or CGT owners on the defensive, but it seems like car passion is unnecessarily clouding civility when my comments were labelled BS by someone who hasn’t driven an R, and labelled sensationalist by someone who refers to his car as a "dragon" and has one hour of seat time in the R.
With 2k km of seat time in my R, and 2k miles of seat time in my CGT in the last 12 months, I would absolutely agree on the CGTs greatness as the ultimate analog supercar along with the F40, F50, McLaren F1 and Zonda. The CGT used to be my favorite road car until the R, but for me the CGT is a little too "old school LeMans" to attack a backroad with abandon with – lower ground clearance, stiffer suspension, dated tires (the latest PSS on mine), spiky handling, and slower turn-in. And unlike the R, the CGT will bite your head off if you get it wrong – hence the grim reaper comment. The R is my current favorite road car – the R revs almost as freely, sounds better inside, and is much more fun to attack back roads with.
And as far as the RS goes – it does feel a lot more "bolted to the road" at 250+ km/h than an R which moves around quite a bit. And the instant gearshifts make the RS sound like a GT3 race car. However, I would prefer a raw analog car on the road, and a true race car (e.g. Porsche Cup car) on the track.
So the RS doesn’t quite work for me. But, I love the CGT and I love the R.
I certainly did not intend to put RS or CGT owners on the defensive, but it seems like car passion is unnecessarily clouding civility when my comments were labelled BS by someone who hasn’t driven an R, and labelled sensationalist by someone who refers to his car as a "dragon" and has one hour of seat time in the R.
With 2k km of seat time in my R, and 2k miles of seat time in my CGT in the last 12 months, I would absolutely agree on the CGTs greatness as the ultimate analog supercar along with the F40, F50, McLaren F1 and Zonda. The CGT used to be my favorite road car until the R, but for me the CGT is a little too "old school LeMans" to attack a backroad with abandon with – lower ground clearance, stiffer suspension, dated tires (the latest PSS on mine), spiky handling, and slower turn-in. And unlike the R, the CGT will bite your head off if you get it wrong – hence the grim reaper comment. The R is my current favorite road car – the R revs almost as freely, sounds better inside, and is much more fun to attack back roads with.
And as far as the RS goes – it does feel a lot more "bolted to the road" at 250+ km/h than an R which moves around quite a bit. And the instant gearshifts make the RS sound like a GT3 race car. However, I would prefer a raw analog car on the road, and a true race car (e.g. Porsche Cup car) on the track.
So the RS doesn’t quite work for me. But, I love the CGT and I love the R.
10-14-2016, 01:51 PM
#66
Nordschleife Master
Interesting reading everyone’s comments, especially stout's - thank you.
I certainly did not intend to put RS or CGT owners on the defensive, but it seems like car passion is unnecessarily clouding civility when my comments were labelled BS by someone who hasn’t driven an R, and labelled sensationalist by someone who refers to his car as a "dragon" and has one hour of seat time in the R.
With 2k km of seat time in my R, and 2k miles of seat time in my CGT in the last 12 months, I would absolutely agree on the CGTs greatness as the ultimate analog supercar along with the F40, F50, McLaren F1 and Zonda. The CGT used to be my favorite road car until the R, but for me the CGT is a little too "old school LeMans" to attack a backroad with abandon with – lower ground clearance, stiffer suspension, dated tires (the latest PSS on mine), spiky handling, and slower turn-in. And unlike the R, the CGT will bite your head off if you get it wrong – hence the grim reaper comment. The R is my current favorite road car – the R revs almost as freely, sounds better inside, and is much more fun to attack back roads with.
And as far as the RS goes – it does feel a lot more "bolted to the road" at 250+ km/h than an R which moves around quite a bit. And the instant gearshifts make the RS sound like a GT3 race car. However, I would prefer a raw analog car on the road, and a true race car (e.g. Porsche Cup car) on the track.
So the RS doesn’t quite work for me. But, I love the CGT and I love the R.
I certainly did not intend to put RS or CGT owners on the defensive, but it seems like car passion is unnecessarily clouding civility when my comments were labelled BS by someone who hasn’t driven an R, and labelled sensationalist by someone who refers to his car as a "dragon" and has one hour of seat time in the R.
With 2k km of seat time in my R, and 2k miles of seat time in my CGT in the last 12 months, I would absolutely agree on the CGTs greatness as the ultimate analog supercar along with the F40, F50, McLaren F1 and Zonda. The CGT used to be my favorite road car until the R, but for me the CGT is a little too "old school LeMans" to attack a backroad with abandon with – lower ground clearance, stiffer suspension, dated tires (the latest PSS on mine), spiky handling, and slower turn-in. And unlike the R, the CGT will bite your head off if you get it wrong – hence the grim reaper comment. The R is my current favorite road car – the R revs almost as freely, sounds better inside, and is much more fun to attack back roads with.
And as far as the RS goes – it does feel a lot more "bolted to the road" at 250+ km/h than an R which moves around quite a bit. And the instant gearshifts make the RS sound like a GT3 race car. However, I would prefer a raw analog car on the road, and a true race car (e.g. Porsche Cup car) on the track.
So the RS doesn’t quite work for me. But, I love the CGT and I love the R.
10-14-2016, 01:56 PM
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BusDriver, thank you for your impressions of the R and other cars. This forum is normally quite civil, informative, and fun, and I hope you'll continue to participate in it.
10-14-2016, 02:26 PM
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10-14-2016, 06:00 PM
#71
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Enjoyed your impressions BusDriver on the R and glad we're all back getting along. Remember boy's, tomorrow is never guaranteed so enjoy what we have today.
10-14-2016, 08:22 PM
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All sounds good except the rev matching. Might as well drive an automatic at that point IMO.
It'll be interesting seeing what kind of actual acceleration numbers the R puts up vs the RS when we finally get instrumented tests.
BusDriver, congrats on securing a car. That must be an awfully nice bus you drive.
It'll be interesting seeing what kind of actual acceleration numbers the R puts up vs the RS when we finally get instrumented tests.
BusDriver, congrats on securing a car. That must be an awfully nice bus you drive.
10-14-2016, 08:43 PM
#73
Geez us, what started out as a great post from the op has turned out like a 928 vs 944 thread.
Thanks for sharing Busdriver.
Thanks for sharing Busdriver.
10-14-2016, 10:18 PM
#74
Originally Posted by rickman_fr
Impatient to compare with my 997 gt3 RS 4.0
I also have a 991 RS and what I can say is that if the RS 991 is bluffing, the 997 RS 4.0 Gt3 is absolutely stunning and completely visceral. in terms of pleasure, I prefer the 997 GT3 Rs 4.0 even if the RS 991 is really a very efficient car
I also have a 991 RS and what I can say is that if the RS 991 is bluffing, the 997 RS 4.0 Gt3 is absolutely stunning and completely visceral. in terms of pleasure, I prefer the 997 GT3 Rs 4.0 even if the RS 991 is really a very efficient car
I drove them back to back this week. Aside from realizing how lucky I am to experience it my impression in short is this - after 100 miles I realized R is a better car than 997 4.0. After 200 I wished R had a 9974.0 engine
Other than that I second BusDriver in all he said. His impressions and feelings are spot on. Took me a while to realize why the car blips the throttle on upshifts. R is just a much better car than 991RS in everything except lap times (but not lap enjoyment).
10-14-2016, 10:32 PM
#75
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The new "R" is certainly a great car and in years to come will be extremely valuable
But it is a dull looking car. Give me that engine and a Manual in a GT3 and that is what I desire. No- do not want a soft clutch ect... the GT4 has the best Manual, PERIOD, for me from what I have heard about the R.
I am excited they made the "R" because it will all trickle down and up and for those 918 Owners who want a low-key beast they got what they wanted.
But it is a dull looking car. Give me that engine and a Manual in a GT3 and that is what I desire. No- do not want a soft clutch ect... the GT4 has the best Manual, PERIOD, for me from what I have heard about the R.
I am excited they made the "R" because it will all trickle down and up and for those 918 Owners who want a low-key beast they got what they wanted.