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Looks like this car is at Porsche Livermore now....
You are right! Thank you for bringing it up to our attention
here at Rennlist. PCNA auctioned off to their dealers &
Livermore was apparently the high bidder.
I am working on getting a 911R & might
have to part with my 991 gt3 to be able
to afford that model. This is one of only
ten PTS 'Signal Green' gt3s built in late
'15 production after a PTS moratorium
was declared in early Fall of 2014 by PAG
effecting all remaining 991 gt3 to be built!
With no PTS gt3s built for MY2016 & very
few PTS gt3's built for MY2014, this 'Signal
Green' '15 is a rare bird in 991 gt3 circles!
And this particular car of mine is a low miles
example that has not yet been 'broken-in'.
Thus it has never been revved past 4500 rpm,
much less hit its unique 9000 rpm limit! So
no track events...just a few outings around
the neighborhood! This car, with just 705
miles (of which the first 15 or so were put
there by PAG), is the closest thing you will
find in the market to a brand new PTS 991
gt3 for sale...and it's the very rare & desirable
'Signal Green' color!
With the arrival of the RS, the 991 gt3 has
been pushed into the background here at
Rennlist. That is too bad because the base
gt3 continues to be the best looking gt car
in the current line-up! I was fortunate to
have driven a friend's 991 gt3 for over
1600 miles at a recent Porsche tour of
'West Texas' & I can tell you the 991 gt3
is the most exciting Porsche I have ever
driven in my life! And only the 911R
would prompt me to giving it up. Folks
here are speculating about the .2 991 gt3
& that is all fine & good. But if you want
PTS & think 'Signal Green' is a stunning
color (like I do), I would suggest that it
might make sense to look into buying
this one as a hedge against the 'unknown'
future of PTS & the end of naturally-aspirated
Porsche gt3s! So caveat emptor.
For those that didn't follow the story of these
10 'Signal Green' gt3's here on Rennlist, all of
them were specced the same by PAG/PCNA &
were 'not changeable' by the few lucky
dealers in the US that got an allocation. Only
two dealers were able to add PCCB to their build.
Otherwise, all 10 late allocation '15 991 gt3s in
'Signal Green' were identical! Here is the spec
of my car:
*******************
To my knowledge, the last of these rare 'Signal Green'
gt3s that came up for sale was at $225K. And that one
had 1562 'hard miles' put in demo track rides for IMSA's
car events by professional drivers!
*******
Asking Price is $188,991. In-Service Date for my car is May 16, 2015.
The car is located at my home in North Scottsdale, Arizona. For more
information, please contact me via email at: <venegas356@gmail.com>.
PAG just needed to unload some not so popular inventory.
Bronson: You probably have heard of 'Just-in-Time' & 'Just-in-Sequence'
production methods, right? At Porsche today there is no such thing as
'old' inventory hanging around & waiting for some vulnerable customer's
order to saddled him/her with 'hard-to-sell' or unpopular parts. Each &
every optional component of modern Porsche is custom ordered from an
exterior supplier or vendor to match what was requested by the customer.
There is no 'inventory' warehouse at Zuffenhausen with dated parts! In
fact, PAG prides itself that most parts that arrive at Zuffenhausen each
day are installed on cars within hours of their arrival at the factory gates.
It's a monumental logistical feat, of which they are extremely proud of!
These are not 356 or early 911 times at Zuffenhausen! I had a 1960
356 Roadster that had its bumpers, front & rear deck lids from a different
Roadster coming down the production line. Both cars must have been
the same color (Silver) & the workers mixed those parts up when
assembling the cars after they had been painted (they normally travel
together in separate lines during the paint process so that they get
painted in the same batch as the car for matching purposes). We
knew they were the wrong parts because each of those panels had
the last three digits of the VIN # of their intended recipient...and
they didn't match my car's VIN #. But all the parts had the same
three digit ID #'s so it was not random or a fluke. Today, if the wrong
part arrives on the line that is incorrect for the car in question, PAG
normally puts it on & fixes up the problem later. That is why we get
this from time to time:
***
Back on topic:
The interesting thing about these 30 late allocation PTS gt3s is that to
date no one has been identified as the party responsible for speccing
these special cars. Each of the three colors had a specific spec, although
they shared some 'core' options. Here is a post I wrote about that in
the 'Story' thread:
Originally Posted by Z356
Chapter 4 - We have established information that each of the three PTS colors - 'Signal Green', 'Arena Red Metallic' and 'Fashion Grey/Modegrau' - has it's own particular spec. We initially thought they were all the same, but found out differently. However, they all have a set of standard equipment or options which betray a 'signature' by whomever decided to establish these odd specifications. Remember, neither the dealers nor 'Porsche Exclusive' in North America were consulted on these specs! And the paperwork that came with them to the dealers that were awarded these PTS gt3s believed that the specs were locked in place by order of PAG. In fact, there were only one or two savvy General Managers at some of these dealers that managed to modify the specs...but always in very minor ways. For example, two of the "Signal Green' gt3s started out with standard brakes, but were able to be changed to PCCB. We know of ONLY one of these gt3s - the one given to Anonymous918 via the VIP program - which was heavily modified from its original 'base' specs. He was able to add LWB and PCCBs, among other options. But he was the exception and not the rule!
All of the pts gt3s in these batch of reward allocations were originally specced with the following 'Core Base' Standards & Options:
Core Base Standard & Options
4-way Sport Plus Seats,
Extended Range Fuel Tank (082)
Seat Heating (342)
Front Axle Lift (474)
Sound Package Plus (490)
LED Headlights (602 or XEY)
Sport Chrono (643)
Sirius/XM/HD Radio (690)
Floor Mats (810)
Auto Dimming Mirrors/Rain Sensor (P13)
PCM w. Navigation (P23)
Ornamental Porsche Crest (ZAB)
********** Signal Green
The most spartan spec is the Signal Green gt3s.
Besides 'Core Base' above, it comes with:
Wheels Painted in Black (XDG)
Center Console Trim in Leather (XHB)
Sport Seats Plus Backrest Shells in Leather (XWK)
Door-Sill Guards in SS- Illuminated (XXB)
Leather Interior Package with Standard Interior (EES)
MSRP for the 'Signal Green' Spec gt3 is $151,910.
Destination & guzzler tax 1,995.
Total $153,905.
This has the lowest MSRP of the three colors...and also the least content!
************************
Arena Red Metallic
Besides 'Core Base' above, it comes with:
MSRP for the 'Arena Red Metallic' Spec is $153,030.
Destination & guzzler tax 1,995.
Total $155,025
This is the second least expensive spec of the PTS gt3s. But at least it comes with full leather!
***************************
Fashion Grey/Modegrau
Besides 'Core Base' above, it comes with:
Leather/Alcantara Interior, Platinum Stitching (078)
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell (581)
Brushed Aluminum Interior Package - Anthracite (P1B)
Wheels Painted in Black (XDG)
LED in Black (XEY)
Seat Belts in Silver Grey (XSH)
Sports Plus Backseats Shells in Leather (XWK)
Doors Sills in SS, Illuminated (XXB)
MSRP for the 'Fashion Grey/Modegrau' gt3 is $155,765.
Destination and guzzler tax 1,995.
Total $157,760
This is the most expensive of the specs and the one with the most options.
****************
I will have more to say about my speculation as to why these options were chosen for these cars. But I need to post the rest of the story out before going on tangents.
.
Good luck Eduardo! I hope you find a wonderful new home for your very special GT3. And here's wishing you all the best in getting a 911R. I would have loved to get one, but it looks like that will not be in the cards for me. Please tell us how it all goes in the end.
Bronson: You probably have heard of 'Just-in-Time' & 'Just-in-Sequence'
production methods, right? At Porsche today there is no such thing as
'old' inventory hanging around & waiting for some vulnerable customer's
order to saddled him/her with 'hard-to-sell' or unpopular parts. Each &
every optional component of modern Porsche is custom ordered from an
exterior supplier or vendor to match what was requested by the customer.
There is no 'inventory' warehouse at Zuffenhausen with dated parts! In
fact, PAG prides itself that most parts that arrive at Zuffenhausen each
day are installed on cars within hours of their arrival at the factory gates.
It's a monumental logistical feat, of which they are extremely proud of!
These are not 356 or early 911 times at Zuffenhausen! I had a 1960
356 Roadster that had its bumpers, front & rear deck lids from a different
Roadster coming down the production line. Both cars must have been
the same color (Silver) & the workers mixed those parts up when
assembling the cars after they had been painted (they normally travel
together in separate lines during the paint process so that they get
painted in the same batch as the car for matching purposes). We
knew they were the wrong parts because each of those panels had
the last three digits of the VIN # of their intended recipient...and
they didn't match my car's VIN #. But all the parts had the same
three digit ID #'s so it was not random or a fluke. Today, if the wrong
part arrives on the line that is incorrect for the car in question, PAG
normally puts it on & fixes up the problem later. That is why we get
this from time to time:
***
Back on topic:
The interesting thing about these 30 late allocation PTS gt3s is that to
date no one has been identified as the party responsible for speccing
these special cars. Each of the three colors had a specific spec, although
they shared some 'core' options. Here is a post I wrote about that in
the 'Story' thread:
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Thank you Eduardo for your thorough response. I too would like to know the story behind who was responsible for speccing the 30 late PTS GT3 allocations. Hopefully one day you will get to the bottom of this.
Good luck Eduardo! I hope you find a wonderful new home
for your very special GT3. And here's wishing you all the best
in getting a 911R. I would have loved to get one, but it looks
like that will not be in the cards for me. Please tell us how it
all goes in the end.
I am sorry to hear that your 911R dream might not come to
fruition. We will see where mine ends up. And yes, I will try
to find a good home for the gt3 or start to drive it like it was
meant to be used! Either way I am fine!
***
Originally Posted by bronson7
Thank you Eduardo for your thorough response.
I too would like to know the story behind who was responsible
for speccing the 30 late PTS GT3 allocations. Hopefully one
day you will get to the bottom of this.
On a slightly different topic, it's as good a time as ever to reveal
what I know re: why these cars were done by PAG in the first place.
This was confided to me by a well connected Porsche customer that
has first hand knowledge re: these late allocation '15 PTS 991 gt3s.
Here is what I was told about why these 30 gt3s were built by PAG
at that particular time (Spring 2015) after PAG announced the PTS
moratorium in the Fall of 2014 because they (we speculated) were
having quality control issues with PTS!
"...these 30 PTS cars were all painted at the factory in it entirety:
not even bumpers were painted by 3rd party vendors"
You can connect the dots as to why they did it. I am afraid I can't say
anymore without the permission of my source, who is a frequent visitor
here at Rennlist. But I encourage him to expand on it if he wishes to.
***
So we think we know why PAG build these particular 30 PTS cars
in these three colors (10 of each PTS color to cross-check quality
control on each paint job!).
***
We think we know how US dealers where chosen to receive
one of these late '15 allocations of PTS gt3s (Owed favor by
PAG/PCNA).
We still have to find out why these particular three colors were
chosen (a 'bright' early 911 period solid/uni, a historic 993 era
'metallic' & an elegant 356 Pre-A classic hue) or who at PAG/PCNA
was responsible for the particular specs!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Last edited by Z356; 09-07-2016 at 10:40 PM.
Reason: spelling
Just wanted to add a little more detail on this very interesting story about the 30 additional 2015 PTS GT3s that came to the US market.
For context, in calendar year 2015, there were 10 "regular" customer-ordered PTS GT3s in North America (5 Canadian, 5 US), all in solid (non-metallic) colours--one of these was my own Fashion grey GT3 which was built in January. These were built in the first two months of 2015, and of course there were also quite a few MY2015 PTS GT3s built in 2014.
Of the cars built towards the end of the run (in calendar year 2015), we heard about H82BL8's beautiful Viper green car, which was one of the last PTS GT3s, and it too was built in January. But there were 2 cars built in February (the last of the last PTS!), 1 each to Canada and the US. Beyond this, a moratorium on PTS halted any further PTS cars being built for the 991.1 GT3 ever again...
that is of course, until the appearance of the 30 extra 2015 PTS GT3s that Eduardo has been reporting on!
I have learned that the Signal green cars were the first batch to be built. Production occurred in March 2015, but only for 8 of the 10. And there were indeed 10 extra Signal green GT3s in total it seems. The VIN gaps that were noted do not correspond to "missing" Signal green cars (those VINs are for non-PTS cars (white, black, etc), as the VINs for these extra cars were not consecutive), and thus there were not 14 cars. That also means there may well have been non-PTS 2015 GT3s built around the same time (?concurrently) as these Signal green cars, i.e. in March 2015!
The 2 Signal green cars (McKenna and Stevinson), that were able to be modified from the standard spec of the other 8, were delayed to April 2015. The modifications have been discussed before, and include PCCB (both), CF interior (both), and CF sills (one), and meant the cars had a higher MSRP.
I do believe, Eduardo, you have accounted for all 10 of the Signal green cars:
VIN ending in
9237 - Bellevue
9238 - McKenna
9240 - Road Scholars
9242 - Momentum
9243 - Beachwood
9244 - Beverly Hills
9248 - PCNA/IMSA/Livermore
9249 - Rancho Mirage
9250 - San Diego
9251 - Stevinson
So congratulations on a great sleuthing job and finding all 10 siblings in the Signal green family!!
The 10 Fashion grey cars came next, with the spec as described earlier in this thread. These were built in April 2015, but 2 were delayed to later builds (May and June 2015) due to customization. We have already seen anonymous918's photos of his spectacular car with PCCB, lots of interior modifications, and even satin black wheels! It is just gorgeous. But there was one other Fashion grey GT3 that was heavily modified too, and I didn't appreciate the significance when I first saw it! I spotted it at Rennsport Reunion V, and it was on display at Werks Reunion 2016 too, where it took home honours for the owner (I'll refer to him as Mr. G). This latter GT3 is the most expensive and most customized of all 30 extra cars, and has PCCB, lots of extra leather, CXX options including black side mirrors and black wing, and even buckets! This makes it very rare amongst the 30 for having been fitted with LWB (there were only 2 among the 30, with more on that later), and only the 2nd Fashion grey GT3 in the world (that I know of) with this option, mine being the other. There are also only 3 Fashion grey GT3s with PCCB (mine and these 2), and also the same 3 are the only known Fashion grey GT3s with CXX customization! I'm very honoured to be in the company of these 2 very special Fashion grey PTS GT3s!!
Here is my photo, and another not mine, of Mr. G's Fashion grey GT3.
Unfortunately, there are at least a couple of the Fashion grey cars that remain unaccounted for, and so if anyone has more information about them, please chime in as I'd love to know more about them. Amongst the known cars, 2 have also undergone some amazing transformations, including one by farfromcommongt3 (bronze wheels, wingless deck lid, etc, etc), and one by BBiAutosports & Supreme_Power (Cup hood and fenders, cage, wheels, etc, etc)!
The 10 Arena red metallic cars were the last to be produced, and this occurred in May and June 2015. All the builds were identical, with the exception again of 2 cars (one with personalized illuminated sills; and one even more extensively so with black wheels, brushed aluminum interior, PCCB, and LWB!!!)!
Thus it seems that of all three colours of the extra PTS GT3s, 2 of each colour were able to be modified by their respective dealerships/customers! While one customer (anonymous918) was able to leverage 918 customer status to achieve this, I'm not sure how the others went about getting this done. That information would add another interesting chapter to this great story!
Finally, many of the ARM cars have not been identified, so hopefully this information can be gathered and added too.
Last edited by <3mph; 10-07-2016 at 09:59 AM.
Reason: clarification: "in North American"
What great investigation work done on your part Daniel.
In concur. Kudos to you Daniel this fabulous research!
*****
Daniel: I have a few questions for you in 'red':
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
For context, in calendar year 2015, there were 10 "regular"
customer-ordered PTS GT3s in North America (5 Canadian,
5 US), all in solid (non-metallic) colours--one of these was
my own Fashion grey GT3 which was built in January. These
were built in the first two months of 2015, and of course there
were also quite a few MY2015 PTS GT3s built in 2014.
Interesting. Can you share with us how you were able to determine
that!
***
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
Of the cars built towards the end of the run (in calendar year 2015),
we heard about H82BL8's beautiful Viper green car, which was one
of the last PTS GT3s, and it too was built in January. But there were
2 cars built in February (the last of the last PTS!), 1 each to Canada
and the US. Beyond this, a moratorium on PTS halted any further
PTS cars being built for the 991.1 GT3 ever again...
Do you know the colors of those two cars? There was a 'RS Green'
gt3 that we reported on this thread. Was that one of them?
that is of course, until the appearance of the 30 extra 2015 PTS GT3s
that Eduardo has been reporting on! I have learned that the Signal
green cars were the first batch to be built. Production occurred in
March 2015, but only for 8 of the 10. And there were indeed 10
extra Signal green GT3s in total it seems. The VIN gaps that were
noted do not correspond to "missing" Signal green cars (those VINs
are for non-PTS cars (white, black, etc), as the VINs for these extra
cars were not consecutive), and thus there were not 14 cars. That
also means there may well have been non-PTS 2015 GT3s built
around the same time (?concurrently) as these Signal green cars,
i.e. in March 2015!
The 2 Signal green cars (McKenna and Stevinson), that were able
to be modified from the standard spec of the other 8, were delayed
to April 2015. The modifications have been discussed before, and
include PCCB (both), CF interior (both), and CF sills (one), and
meant the cars had a higher MSRP.
I do believe, Eduardo, you have accounted for all 10 of the Signal
green cars:
VIN ending in
9237 - Bellevue
9238 - McKenna
9240 - Road Scholars
9242 - Momentum
9243 - Beachwood
9244 - Beverly Hills
9248 - PCNA/IMSA/Livermore
9249 - Rancho Mirage
9250 - San Diego
9251 - Stevinson
So congratulations on a great sleuthing job and finding
all 10 siblings in the Signal green family!!
It was all a joint effort with many of the Rennlisters that
contributed on this massive hunt all over dealers in the
US for these late allocation '15 991 gt3s!
***
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
The 10 Fashion grey cars came next, with the spec as described
earlier in this thread. These were built in April 2015, but 2 were
delayed to later builds (May and June 2015) due to customization.
We have already seen
of his spectacular car with PCCB, lots of interior modifications,
and even satin black wheels! It is just gorgeous. But there
was one other Fashion grey GT3 that was heavily modified too,
and I didn't appreciate the significance when I first saw it!
I spotted it at Rennsport Reunion V, and it was on display at
Werks Reunion 2016 too, where it took home honours for the
owner (I'll refer to him as Mr. G). This latter GT3 is the most
expensive and most customized of all 30 extra cars, and has
PCCB, lots of extra leather, CXX options including black side
mirrors and black wing, and even buckets! This makes it
very rare amongst the 30 for having been fitted with LWB
(there were only 2 among the 30, with more on that later),
and only the 2nd Fashion grey GT3 in the world (that I know
of) with this option, mine being the other. There are also
only 3 Fashion grey GT3s with PCCB (mine and these 2),
and also the same 3 are the only known Fashion grey GT3s
with CXX customization! I'm very honoured to be in the
company of these 2 very special Fashion grey PTS GT3s!!
Here is my photo, and another not mine, of Mr. G's Fashion
grey GT3.
Unfortunately, there are at least a couple of the Fashion grey cars
that remain unaccounted for, and so if anyone has more information
about them, please chime in as I'd love to know more about them.
Amongst the known cars, 2 have also undergone some amazing
transformations, including one by
We need to get all the late '15 allocation 'Fashion Grey' gt3s identified.
***
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
The 10 Arena red metallic cars were the last to be produced, and this
occurred in May and June 2015. All the builds were identical, with the
exception again of 2 cars (one with personalized illuminated sills; and
one even more extensively so with black wheels, brushed aluminum
interior, PCCB, and LWB!!!)!
Thus it seems that of all three colours of the extra PTS GT3s, 2 of each colour were able to be modified by their
respective dealerships/customers! While one customer
(anonymous918) was able to leverage 918 customer status
to achieve this, I'm not sure how the others went about
getting this done. That information would add another
interesting chapter to this great story!
Perhaps Mr. G will be able to tell us the story of how he got this Modegrau
gt3 modified from the original specs. Do you have a way to contact him
& ask for the information?
***
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
Finally, many of the ARM cars have not been identified, so
hopefully this information can be gathered and added too.
I will check to see if we can update this list too.
********
Daniel:
If you have any further information as to the theory as to why
these late allocation PTS MY2015 gt3s were built & why these
specs & colors, I would love to hear it. The last information I
received from a knowledgeable customer of one of these PTS
gt3s is that PAG wanted to test via these 30 vehicles their ability
to achieve proper quality control on the Paint to Sample process
at Zuffenhausen. As most of you know, PAG had put a moratorium
on the PTS option during the early part of MY2015 production.
And they must have put in place various 'improvements' in the
PTS process which they wanted to test for their effectiveness...
thus the unexpected production of these 30 late '15 gt3s which
were built late in the model year, starting with March 2015 build
dates.
07-09-2016, 11:05 PM
