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Congrats on finally getting your baby, She's a beauty !! I think you nailed it in truly accomplishing an understated, unique and fitting tribute to a very special colour. I totally agree with you that the 991 GT3 is one of the most stunning 911 designs ever and it pulls off this colour beautifully. The yellow accents also adds to the colour. Beautiful combination
Enjoy in good health and hopefully we get the opportunity to bring our two cars together this summer.
Classy and sporty at the same time. Truly tasteful.
Agreed, I like that this colour is so versatile. Evening out, Sunday drive, commute to the office, track work. Erm, make that, the GT3 is so versatile!
Originally Posted by Conekilr
hopefully we get the opportunity to bring our two cars together this summer.
Peter, thanks for letting me steal your colour! It would be great to meet up this summer. Let me know if you're heading to the coast, and if I'm going to the Rockies, I'd love to meet up there too. I'm looking forward to seeing your spectacular Gulf blue in person! Between the dozen or more GT3s in BC and quite a few in AB, it might be cool to put together a Western Canada GT3 "Meet and Greet, and Street" and maybe even one with the Pacific Northwest crowd from WA and OR too. Thanks for the compliments, I couldn't be more pleased with how it turned out.
Lemme guess how this one came up on a Google search: "fashion designer men Buy Cheap Original Adidas porsche leisure grey white red sale"
Only for me it probably would have been by searching: "fashion designer men Buy Cheap Original Adidas porsche leisure grey white red sale"!!!
While I'm on random historical back stories, that reminds me of this little one about Mr. Adolf Dassler, nicely summarized in Wikipedia:
Trained as a cobbler, Adi Dassler started to produce his own sports shoes in his mother's laundry after his return from World War I. His father, Christoph, who worked in a shoe factory, and the Zehlein brothers, who produced the handmade spikes for track shoes in their blacksmith's shop, supported Dassler in starting his own business. On 1 July 1924, his older brother Rudolf Dassler joined the business, which became the Gebrüder Dassler Schuhfabrik (Dassler Brothers Shoe Factory).
At the 1928 Olympics, Dassler equipped many athletes, laying the foundation for the international expansion of the company. During the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, Dassler equipped Jesse Owens of the USA with his shoes. Jesse Owens won 4 gold medals in the year he wore Adi's shoes.
With the rise of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, both Dassler brothers joined the **** Party, with Rudolf reputed as being the more ardent National Socialist.[1] Rudolf was drafted, and later captured, while Adi stayed behind to produce boots for the Wehrmacht and then broke away from the **** Party.[2] The war exacerbated the differences between the brothers and their wives. Rudolf, upon his capture by American troops, was suspected of being a member of the SS, information supposedly supplied by none other than his brother Adi.[3]
By 1948, the rift between the brothers widened. Rudolf left the company to found Puma on the other side of town (across the Aurach River), and Adolf Dassler renamed the company Adidas after his own nickname. (Adi Dassler).
Your 'Modegrau' gt3 is stunning and your dissertation on the color impressive. Since you requested a review of what you wrote, here are a few clarifications of your post #2, 3 & 4. Perhaps you and others might find them of some small value.
See my comments in 'RED' next to your original text.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Originally Posted by <3mph
History: 356 era
I'm no scholar of the annals of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, but here is a little information I've uncovered on the history of modegrau. (To all those who are truly in the know (Messrs. Paterek / Venegas / etc, you know who you are!), please update and/or amend this if you find any errors.)
Modegrau is one of the earliest colours offered by Porsche, appearing on the Pre-A 356 in the early 1950s...The early examples of modegrau paint were referred to by Reutter colour code # 531. This is in reference to the Zuffenhausen manufacturer, Reutter Karosserie-Werke, which produced bodies for Porsche from 1949 onwards.
Reutter first began building bodies for Porsche in 1950, not 1949, at a small garage in the middle of Stuttgart at the Stammhaus on Augusten Strassse.
As production picked up, the bodies were then built in Zuffenhausen at the plant shown below (currently part of Werk II).
Originally, modegrau R531 was produced using single-coat solvent-based lacquer, the industry standard from the 1920s to 1950s. As I understand it, the original formula for this colour as used by the Reutter factory is not currently known. There have been attempts to recreate this colour using solvent-based lacquer paints from this era, including by the paint manufacturer Glasurit. As RLer Z356 explains...
That z356 does seem like a pompous know-it-all, doesn't he?
And here are photos of other 356s in modegrau:
The 356A Speedster above looks to me to be 'Stone Gray' and not 'Modegrau'. The latter stopped being an offered color on the 356 Pre-A in 1953. 'Stone Grey', which is a darker shade with more 'brown' tones, was offered on the 356A for 1957 to 1959 as a 'Special Color' for a nominal extra fee.
Originally Posted by <3mph
Modern era
It seems that modegrau went largely unnoticed by buyers of more modern Porsche cars for quite a number of years. Perhaps as recently as the early 1990s, however, it appears that the modegrau colour was revived using modern two coat (base plus clear) water-based paint, as ordered through the Porsche Exclusive Außenfarbe nach Wahl (Exterior color to sample) program. This new formulation retained the name modegrau, but is referred to by a new colour code, 61H.
While I am not aware of the earliest 61H modegrau PTS automobile produced, there have been several that I have found in my travels through the web.
CGT
I think this is the PTS 'Stone Gray' Carrera GT that I once saw in person getting service at Porsche of Colorado Springs a few years back! The PTS 'Modegrau' Carrera GT is a lighter color:
And then there was the 'Man of Chile' Grey ordered by Champion dealership in Florida for a client:
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By the way, there are more PTS Carrera gt's than most people think!
Originally Posted by <3mph
Not to be confused with
There are several other colours which fairly closely approximate modegrau, and which have probably been mistaken for it. Here are some examples...
Dolphin grey (6410, 610) - another early Porsche colour, apparently slightly less saturated than modegrau
Daniel, I believe this 356A coupe with Rudge wheels might be painted 'Dolphin Gray' but it's not period correct. 'Dolphin Gray' was introduced in the 356C's (MY1964/1965). It was not around in 1957 so this was a modern restoration in a non-period correct color.
But the grey color that you did not mentioned but which was in the same 356 grey family is 'Heron Gray'. It was a standard color offered from MY1960 to 1963 in the B 356's.
In my 356 collecting period, I considered both 'Heron Gray' and 'Dolphin Gray' to be essentially primer colors and they had little personal appeal!
Finally Daniel, please do tell the story (albeit an expensive one!) as how you were able to order that RS type wheel for your gt3:
In the meantime, enjoy your beautiful Modegrau gt3 in good health!
Very nice colour to see in real life. They were doing PDI on your car when the 918s arrives so I get to see your car up close and personal. Might also know more about your car than you might want to let out publicly haha.
@Eduardo, the short version is that he paid dearly for the wheel.
Daniel, beautiful car! I love the color. I saw the one at Park Place Porsche that you posted and the color is amazing in real life. I'm sure the wait was worth it. Very nice interior touches too. Enjoy the car! Is Boz jealous? LOL.
Congrats Daniel! I give you the unofficial classiest looking GT3 award! BC has a lot of great unique modern Porsches. Hope to see you at one of the local events, I will be in the Birch Green Turbo S Cab.... Yes lots of PTS in Canada! Awesome post!
Forgot one last thing, how's the LWB? What's your initial impression? Too upright?
You changed your order to those and while I didn't climb into your car, it just looked so much easier to get into those seats in a 911 body frame vs the 918.
They were doing PDI on your car when the 918s arrives so I get to see your car up close and personal. Might also know more about your car than you might want to let out publicly haha.
Don't tell us they were washing the gt3's motor with soap and a water hose, like another dealer did on an otherwise stunning 'Riviera Blue' that was being prepped for delivery???
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
@Eduardo, the short version is that he paid dearly for the wheel.
Whoopsy: I know the cost of that option to the dollars and cents since Daniel told me. But I still think it's an interesting story to tell...when Daniel feels like telling it to the entire forum.
Now that we know that Porsche is using the 918/Macan style steering wheel on the 991 gt3 RS, it helps explain the high cost of doing a bespoke wheel for Daniel since it's not a series production steering wheel for the new RS!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Last edited by Z356; 03-16-2015 at 11:02 AM.
Reason: spelling
Awesome edits, Eduardo! I will correct the errors in the first few posts. If this thread ever could be useful to anyone, at least I'll do my best to keep it factually correct! Regrettably, I accepted what I found on the web at face value and didn't pick up inconsistencies like the ones you pointed out. So, thanks for double checking what I posted!
As for the steering wheel, here is the longer story...
After placing an accepted order for PTS, I was curious about what Exclusive was able to do beyond paint. There were several things that prompted me to do more than mull it over:
2. There was a red marker stripe on a car at the Zuffenhausen factory that I'd seen while on my GT3-less ED trip:
Originally Posted by <3mph
is it possible to order the red or yellow marker stripe on the steering wheel for the 991 GT3? I know it's an RS thing, but I like the look, and the aerokit light green C2S in the photo I posted earlier had it.
3. RLer reidry had been making inquiries into the wing end plates and mirrors in a deviating colour, and had obtained info which he selflessly shared with me about the steering wheel marker stripe option (all of which were seen on El Jefe's custom car, in addition to red wheels, below):
Originally Posted by reidry
I also have a request into Melissa Witek with Porsche Exclusive to have:
1. Sideview mirrors either lower portion of mirror or entire mirror in black
2. Wing end plates done in black
Similar to the affect on this car which was posted in the PTS thread
4. I contacted Melissa Witek in July 2014, who along with Matthew Henry also at Porsche Exclusive and my dealership coordinating things, made it all happen. Essentially the wheel marker stripe had been approved in red, it turned out. But yellow had not. So with a CXX custom order request in to Porsche Exclusive, I waited for feasibility testing ("to test quality/wear") and approval of the yellow stripe. By October, apparently the factory was underway with testing, and by November rumours of its approval were confirmed by Ms. Witek, but she needed to find out the cost for Canadian customers like me (pesky little details, those currency exchange rates). As it turned out, they had a "formula" for CXX items, which I imagine attaches prices to all CXX requests of various levels of complexity, workmanship, materials, etc. The red marker went for "roughly $3500" and the yellow one was on par. Pricey, but I conceded on the cost as I was expecting to pay over $200K for the car including options and taxes anyway (costs more in Canada, plus recall our dollar was worth ~80 cents on the US dollar, so we get a relative break there).
Fortunately, my build and lock date had been pushed back several times (possibly due to PTS and LWB, etc), so that I was still able to add the wheel to my order despite earlier concerns about timing. I then received the following confirmation emailed to me:
Can you please confirm double check the order and comment correct? Since the vehicle has passed the change freeze point and will enter production imminently, we would need to know right away if there's a problem.
Sport Design steering wheel Alcantara black, black stitching, 12-clock-mark yellow, $3475 CAD MSRP, 10 days, S. Theis
(BTW, I don't know what S. Theis means, but assume it is a person, perhaps the person who approved this, or who would be making the steering wheel? If someone knows, I'd love to solve this riddle.)
It was only then that I realized I had not specified stitching on my request, and the default was black, unlike the rest of the platinum stitching in my interior. So, panicking only a little, I quickly asked about changing the stitching to platinum. Well, of course, Exclusive being who they are, platinum stitching was doable, however there was a catch, the order had locked already, but they were able to add it. Oh, and the other detail was that platinum stitching costs more. I was again forwarded an email:
The good news is the factory informed me they were able to make the change to Platinum Grey stitching on the steering wheel before the vehicle locked. However, they also informed me that there is a price increase of $1,485 for the different colour stitching. Normally we would have an opportunity to accept or reject the option based on the increased price. However, unfortunately with this quick change, the vehicle locked with the final comment:
At this point it is too late to change it. I hope this isn't a major issue.
So, that's how I got the little yellow marker stripe. While I was a little surprised by the additional cost, I now realize I should have anticipated this, and truth be told, I'd gone down this path so far, I probably wasn't going to back out over another thousand dollars or so.
It was pricey. I'm actually a little embarrassed at the wasteful cost per sq inch of fabric, at least by my back of the envelope calculations! But while one can create the same look with tape, I guess I wanted an original from the factory. Call me crazy, I know... In the end, from my point of view, working with Porsche Exclusive was a really worthwhile experience, and I enjoyed the process at the time as much as I expect that little bit of yellow will make me smile whenever I get in the car and go driving!
I hope this information might become useful to someone, so I figured I'd post it. And I'd encourage any of you reading to consider dreaming up doing something special and unique with Exclusive on your next build. It's a lot of fun, provided of course you're relatively price-insensitive.
Very nice colour to see in real life. They were doing PDI on your car when the 918s arrives so I get to see your car up close and personal. Might also know more about your car than you might want to let out publicly haha.
@Eduardo, the short version is that he paid dearly for the wheel.
Thanks, and that's cool that you happened to be by when it came in!
Originally Posted by kyrocks
Daniel, beautiful car! I love the color. I saw the one at Park Place Porsche that you posted and the color is amazing in real life. I'm sure the wait was worth it. Very nice interior touches too. Enjoy the car! Is Boz jealous? LOL.
Thanks, Boz hasn't yet, but I'm sure I'll be taking a ride with him soon!
Originally Posted by JUPJAI
Congrats Daniel! I give you the unofficial classiest looking GT3 award! BC has a lot of great unique modern Porsches. Hope to see you at one of the local events, I will be in the Birch Green Turbo S Cab.... Yes lots of PTS in Canada! Awesome post!
Very kind words! I hope to meet you soon and see your car too!
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
Forgot one last thing, how's the LWB? What's your initial impression? Too upright?
You changed your order to those and while I didn't climb into your car, it just looked so much easier to get into those seats in a 911 body frame vs the 918.
I found them quite comfortable. Thanks for offering your impression of the seats in your 918 when I asked you earlier. From what I hear, these LWBs are slightly different (maybe the padding). In either case, I find them just fine, even the entry and egress. If you'd like to sit in them some time, let me know, as I'd like to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
Originally Posted by Z356
But I still think it's an interesting story to tell...when Daniel feels like telling it to the entire forum.
it's not a series production steering wheel for the new RS!
I guess now was the right time. And yeah, it is a rather rare one, since it doesn't appear in the RS. I'm guessing perhaps not as rare as some of the steering wheels in your garage though, Eduardo. Melissa did mention there were 3 requests for this CXX option, so I'm assuming other customers maybe did go through with it too.
Awesome edits, Eduardo! I will correct the errors in the first few posts. If this thread ever could be useful to anyone, at least I'll do my best to keep it factually correct! Regrettably, I accepted what I found on the web at face value and didn't pick up inconsistencies like the ones you pointed out. So, thanks for double checking what I posted!
You are welcome. It was possibly the most thorough analysis of a Porsche color anyone has posted in a forum. Congratulation for the excellent research!
Originally Posted by <3mph
As for the steering wheel, here is the longer story...It was pricey. I'm actually a little embarrassed at the wasteful cost per sq inch of fabric, at least by my back of the envelope calculations! But while one can create the same look with tape, I guess I wanted an original from the factory. Call me crazy, I know...
Great story and you have a unique factory original that is not going to be seen on many gt3's!
Originally Posted by <3mph
(BTW, I don't know what S. Theis means, but assume it is a person, perhaps the person who approved this, or who would be making the steering wheel? If someone knows, I'd love to solve this riddle.)
Sven Theis is a very nice & enthusiastic employee of 'Porsche Exclusive' in Zuffenhausen. He was one of my guides during my tour of their offices in 2013 and helped me photographed all the samples of factory 'green' paints that they keep on file! He would not be making the wheel...just coordinating your CXX option with the department or subcontractor that was tasked to fulfill your special request!
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Again, congratulations on the arrival of your special 'Modegrau' gt3. It's something to feel proud about!
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