Ferrarisimo

Eduardo,

Did you ever find out if Porsche would allow a Nardo Grey PTS, even though it's not on the official list? Porsche has approved other colors that weren't on the list, and Nardo Grey is a VAG color, so I'd be hopeful.

Failing that, what would you say is the closest PTS-approved equivalent? Sport Classic Grey?

Cheers.

Z356

No, I have personally not asked the question. 'Nardo Gray'
is not currently on the PTS list...so neither approved or under
feasibility study.

I would hope 'Nardo Gray' is darker than 'Sport Classic Grey'.
It might even be darker that 'Modegrau/Fashion Grey'. That
one I will have a better at a face to face comp after I get the
RS7 since 'Modegrau' has become quite popular as a Porsche
PTS color!






Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.

Alan C.

Good read on PTS in the new Pano on page 6.

Z356

Alan: Maybe you could be kind enough to copy or photograph what it
says on page 6 of the current Pano & posted it for all to see. Thanks.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

Alan C.

Eduardo,

Happy to do it for you.

Z356

Thanks Alan. Looks like Pete has been busy reading
our posts on PTS here at Rennlist.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

Alan C.

Eduardo,
I agree.

batmanm3

Oh, to have a Rubystone Red 991 GT3 RS!!

but then, I never thought I would even get an allocation for a RS to start with...and I am thankful...

-eztrader-

I would imagine Porsche is leaving a significant amount of money on the table with their current process. Hopefully it will change for the better, as they make this realization.

<3mph

Thanks. I enjoyed reading that and think Mr. Stout's suggestion (credit also to others who have voiced the same thought) is a good one. I imagine quite a few customers would gladly pick from an expanded and always available palette of past and popular colours. I'm glad he felt this topic was of sufficient importance and of deep enough interest to the readership to warrant this nicely written editorial.

Only a few nit picky comments. Neither signal orange nor RS orange are presently available; so customers pining for the former sadly cannot even settle for the latter. Similarly club Blau is not now available. Nor tangerine (so I doubt this particular paint colour would have made up a large portion of PTS allocations--and I doubt it was in the more distant past either).

This article seems to suggest someone knows a little more to the story of how voodoo was requested (although maybe I'm reading too much into this)--that would be an interesting sidebar!

Finally while we're on signal orange, I'm hoping to see the revival of this wonderful colour--and it seems from my reading of the article that I may not be the only one. I have been in touch with Exclusive and they are kindly brokering the arrangements to try to accomplish exactly that (even though the PTS program is not one they run per se). Last I heard a couple weeks ago the painted sample of signal orange (116) that I had prepared and sent to Exclusive in January will be forwarded to the factory for testing. I will be happy to report any progress during the next few months and what my experience with requesting a "new" colour not presently on the PTS list is like! I'm quite interested and excited to see how this unfolds. Fingers crossed!

Here my signal orange sample can be seen to be much yellower and lighter than 997 RS "Orange" on the wheel.

stout

Thanks, and I did feel it is, as I have a number of friends who have been jubilant and disappointed in their quest for a PTS car. I've been interested in custom colored Porsches (and cars...) for as long as I can remember, and far more so since the time I started writing about Porsches as a freelancer in 1994~.

Please do (!) point me to any media and/or posts that expressed the very same thought (expand color palette and do heritage colors). While I've followed some of the PTS threads with interest, I did not see that idea—which is not to say it didn't happen. I certainly would have preferred to give credit in that case, and I definitely figured the column would be discussed here—I was thinking of Eduardo as I wrote it, but wanted it to stand on its own so there is no "collusion."

Fair nit picks, for sure. Was surprised to see RS Orange no longer feasible; hear Club Blau will eventually be available for PTS, but I hear a lot of things. Was using both as mere examples of what someone looking for one bright orange or blue might be willing to "settle" for if a roughly similar shade were available. In other words: If I want Tangerine or Signal, I suspect I might be just fine with RS Orange if it meant an easy order and $3k vs $7k. Ditto for Acid instead of Mexico, or RS Green instead of Viper.

You're reading too much into it, as I didn't learn very much more. Was speaking with someone pretty high within Porsche and clearly the conversation had come up internally about Voodoo's popularity—and he asked me where it came from. He was totally baffled. I have to say it really is a nice blue, as those kinds of blues go. I personally prefer it to the lighter Riviera, and maybe even Mexico and Acid. I'd have to see it next to them to know for sure!

And yes, I'd love to see Signal Orange make a return. In fact, all of the "Signal" colors were great...

Finally, I'm supposed to request that the pdf posted here be taken down. I don't enjoy that, but PCA does need to protect its copyright. Thanks...

mooty

to make it simpler for pag and buyers. pts $50k
then you will REALLY think if you need the color
and for 50k, pag should paint whatever buyer want.

<3mph

Pete, I hope you continue to do articles and editorials about PTS and the many fascinating and especially historic colours that have been offered. There is lots of interest in them, and I for one would be more than happy if guys like Eduardo were able to "collude" with you on topics like this. I understand your reason for bringing up those specific colours as examples, and I actually hesitated to point out the very minor nit picks--I hope I did not come across as critical.

As for your question about where I'd seen your suggestion before, I admit I had to search a bit, but there definitely is a similar thought out there. Perhaps you were able to describe it a bit better, but here are a sampling of quotes from others here on RL:

And the most directly relatable thought from DES GTS, and comments that followed his (emphasis, in bold, mine):

Quite possibly Eduardo has also made this suggestion, since he has commented a lot on PTS and its woes.

Anyway, I think it's great that we're all on the same page and agree that there might be other, maybe better?, ways to run a PTS-like program that offer easier access to great past colours. And not necessarily at the expense of true PTS, which could still be made available for those who insisted on matching car to some cherished purse or shoe or electric guitar or whatever the case may be.

As for Voodoo, I really love this colour, but wish there were an original "Porsche" alternative. I wonder if its popularity had anything to do with the formulation of Clubblau. I too have been looking at Club, Acid/Bahama, Arrow, Pure, and other blues as alternatives, but unfortunately many of these are not available at the moment. So I'm hoping you're right that Club may become possible. It is spectacular and one of my favourite new Porsche offerings.

Thanks again for your post and interest in my comments. I have really enjoyed reading your thoughts here and elsewhere.

Regards,
Daniel

stout

Actually, we were looking into an article on Porsche colors (past, present, and future) 2-3 years ago, but it was placed on hold. Hasn't been forgotten, but hasn't been revived, either. PTS is its own kettle, and was not part of that plan.

I must say my tiny editorial cannot begin to scratch the surface of what can be hashed out and thought through here. However, I can see where both serve a purpose—as I am told some fairly high-ups read magazine columns where it's largely (though not entirely!!) us enthusiasts here on RL.

Thought about mentioning the "PTS whisperer" in my column, but felt it was better to keep to my own on the matter—for both of us and, frankly, for PAG.

Not at all! I don't mind nit picks—it's good to get called out, and it helps us grow.

Wow! You did some serious research. I can say none of the posts below were on my mind as I penned that editorial, or in memory, but I can see similar thinking at work, for sure. My idea was actually hashed out with two friends—one who has a PTS GT4 coming in—and then, later, at a PAG press event with someone fairly high up who had quite a bit to say (which was all off the record for direct quotes).

All right, let's have at 'em.


Totally agree with Macca (he's sharper than the average bear), and agree with him on PAG missing an op. Disagree on the $2k, as it doesn't fit with my (higher) and clearly superior pricing structure. Hey, wait a minute: His sounds better!

Yes to basic concept. This was a primary point of the off the record discussion with the higher-up. Basically: The palette is inadequate. Some say the regular cars aren't offered in enough colors, or bold enough colors. Others say the GTx cars are offered in even fewer colors, and too bold. Conclusion: Part of Porsche's PTS problem is of its own making.

I like that Macca guy, but this guy is clearly baked!

Yeah, this is down the same lines—though it seems to be advocating a three tier system with no PTS, which actually takes something away. Actually, my first draft of the editorial got into the thorny subject of charging $700~ for metallics when they're no cost options on so many far less expensive cars (VW, Fiat, etc), but I needed the space and that's a whole 'nuther discussion—even if it feels like the $115 floor mats back in the 986/996 days. But so do state of the art headlights and USB ports....

I think Porsche needs to do something, hence my column. PTS is mystifying.

Yes. But why not implement 1) and keep 2)?

Disagree. How many colors needed to make everyone happy? And we're eliminating PTS. Bummer.

Quite possibly, indeed. Eduardo is nothing if not prolific, and committed!

All, except Porsche? Time will tell...

I'd go Acid over Voodoo for the same reason—BUT have to admit Voodoo beats a couple of Porsche blues I've liked in the past.

You're welcome, and thank you!

<3mph

Thanks for the point by point reply. Reminds me of when in the past I've had editors or reviewers check my writing to ensure it'll pass muster! You have an eye for detail and precision!
I really hope you can use the shelved piece about colours some day, either formally as an article for the magazine, or if allowed, perhaps informally elsewhere (like RL)! That would make for a very interesting read.
It must have been very interesting to hear the official stance from your anonymous "interviewee." I wonder how decisions are made there, and what sorts of discussions have taken place around colour choices, PTS, etc. It would be quite illuminating to get more insight there. Perhaps you will find someone who would be willing to speak on the record, even in general terms. Although a specific colour, and how it came to be would be even more fascinating imo.
Thanks for using your voice and valuable print space to raise these issues, especially since it sounds like you have the ear of some of those who make these decisions. I appreciate what you've done to speak for many of us who simply go out and buy, drive, and admire these extraordinary cars.