Changes in the Wind for Porsche GT Race Program
11-25-2015, 12:12 AM
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Nick,it seems you haven't been reading much about the GT4 Clubsport. Our distinct Rennlist colleague and Panorama chief editor Pete Stout has clarified that the engine in the Clubsport is identical and I accentuate IDENTICAL to the one found in the GT4! The only difference is that the Clubsport comes with a different DME calibration software that allows it to run an extra quart of oil without tripping the overfill warning. By running the extra quart of oil it gets to be able to run slicks without having oiling issues. So yeah...the only true engine found in a race car goes to the...you've guessed it! The GT4! Nick.
11-25-2015, 12:27 AM
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11-25-2015, 01:26 AM
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Right, I meant that maybe they'll build a turbocharged 991 GT2 or GT2 RS road car to homologate the turbocharged race car, but continue to make an NA GT3 for the road car.
11-25-2015, 01:29 AM
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Read this as confirming that Porsche no longer thinks they can be competitive at the highest levels of GT racing with a rear engine car. This is a stop gap until FeFi.
11-25-2015, 01:30 AM
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Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017
...Head of Porsche Motorsport Dr. Frank-Steffen Walliser has confirmed to Sportscar365 that an all-new Porsche 911 RSR is in the works...Walliser did confirm that a bespoke mid-engine Porsche GTE car was in the pipeline, initially for 2016, but the decision was made to instead remain with a 911-based model instead.
Quite strange that Porsche is abandoning one of its most visible advertising programs I.e., its GTE PRO racing program. They could just run with what they have. Not withstanding Wat Dr. Wallliser says this smells like a cost cutting casualty. I hope they remain in the IMSA series. I would be a sad day not to see an RSR in the GTLM catergory at Daytona and Sebring.e
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Eduardo
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11-25-2015, 06:41 AM
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Wow. All bets are off. Whatever you knew before no longer counts. Even AP and his team will have no idea what their development budget will be in 17/18....
11-25-2015, 08:47 AM
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Let's just hope it doesn't kill the 919/WEC/Lemans program too. That car is an engineering marvel and every driver that gets behind the wheel sings its praises.
http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/m...-its-shocking/
11-25-2015, 10:02 AM
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Citing another article from Sportscar365..... It looks like the new engine will debut at Daytona. The 9A1 will be on the grid as I understand it.
“The whole team is preparing for Daytona,” Walliser told Sportscar365. “This will be the debut, but always what you don’t want to have is to start the car with a 24-hour race but it is like it is.”
The GT3 chassis, running the previous-generation non-direct injection engine, made a successful test debut in a VLN round last month, finishing third overall with Nick Tandy and Fred Makowiecki.
It has since continued testing and development, both in the U.S. and in Europe, with the new 4.0-liter flat-six engine. Walliser said the first customer cars were shipped to the U.S. teams late last week.
“We are testing and preparing everything,” he said. The cars are in production. We are doing a lot of things.
“It will come with the new engine, which is a heavy step. It was a late decision. We did that in December of last year, to develop a new race engine.
“That was really a task. We’re doing everything to prepare for this so it keeps the team really busy.”
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/po...s-for-daytona/
“The whole team is preparing for Daytona,” Walliser told Sportscar365. “This will be the debut, but always what you don’t want to have is to start the car with a 24-hour race but it is like it is.”
The GT3 chassis, running the previous-generation non-direct injection engine, made a successful test debut in a VLN round last month, finishing third overall with Nick Tandy and Fred Makowiecki.
It has since continued testing and development, both in the U.S. and in Europe, with the new 4.0-liter flat-six engine. Walliser said the first customer cars were shipped to the U.S. teams late last week.
“We are testing and preparing everything,” he said. The cars are in production. We are doing a lot of things.
“It will come with the new engine, which is a heavy step. It was a late decision. We did that in December of last year, to develop a new race engine.
“That was really a task. We’re doing everything to prepare for this so it keeps the team really busy.”
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/po...s-for-daytona/
11-25-2015, 10:18 AM
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IMO - Big difference between a few privateers running a GT3 R with a 9A1 vs the factory running an RSR team. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mezger testing was done with the GT3 R to prove up the ability to revert back to the Mezger if the 9A1 fails.
It's very odd to me that you run a previous generation power unit in the 1 factory outing in the vehicle. Seems like it was the perfect test opportunity for the 9A1...
It's very odd to me that you run a previous generation power unit in the 1 factory outing in the vehicle. Seems like it was the perfect test opportunity for the 9A1...
11-25-2015, 03:25 PM
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IMO - Big difference between a few privateers running a GT3 R with a 9A1 vs the factory running an RSR team. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mezger testing was done with the GT3 R to prove up the ability to revert back to the Mezger if the 9A1 fails.
It's very odd to me that you run a previous generation power unit in the 1 factory outing in the vehicle. Seems like it was the perfect test opportunity for the 9A1...
It's very odd to me that you run a previous generation power unit in the 1 factory outing in the vehicle. Seems like it was the perfect test opportunity for the 9A1...
11-25-2015, 03:33 PM
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There go the " GT " premiums down the drain. LMAO!
I really don't care,I love my parts bin special " GT4 " ! Hey,if you think about it,the GT4 might end up being the only current " GT " model having the exact engine from a race car-the GT4 Clubsport! Oh the irony! Well done Porsche!
I really don't care,I love my parts bin special " GT4 " ! Hey,if you think about it,the GT4 might end up being the only current " GT " model having the exact engine from a race car-the GT4 Clubsport! Oh the irony! Well done Porsche!
11-25-2015, 03:50 PM
#29
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Not sure what you mean here. RS premium are because of limited supply rather than anything else, definitely not because of any racing connections. And GT3 is priced pretty much the same as Carrera S with comparable bodykit and powerkit, so no premium there. There might be on secondary markets, but again, that's purely dictated by supply. FWIW, GT4 would have had even bigger premium if they kept the supply tighter (not advocating tight supply - I hate it, in fact).
The lack of racing connection in a GT car like it was in the past is really unfortunate IMO.
11-25-2015, 03:58 PM
#30
^ This! Plus Porsche can just do a refresh on the body and navi for the .1 GT3 and RS and sell them as the .2 versions which will save lots of cost. They'll also sell either a GT2 and/or a GT2RS in the .2 versions.