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Old 11-10-2015, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
Respectfully, I think you guys are both wrong.

Porsche now understands the crazy demand generated by good NA GT drivers cars, with huge demand for all three and EVO car of the year awards for the GT3 and GT4. They know of the huge worldwide demand for a manual GT car as they were surprised by GT4 demand.

They can spend a minimal amount of R&D $ from VW(which needs to conserve cash), slightly tweak all thre engines to produce 15 more HP in each car, add a manual GT3 option, and they call sell 10,000 .2 generation GT cars (GT4, GT3, RS) without breaking a sweat.
Bingo, those .2 GT cars are already done and R&D'ed...they see the good demand for all the GT cars. Hopefully they'll spend the next 1-2 years to get their suppliers teed up and their production capacity ready to pump out GT cars. Don't worry turbo lovers, they'll also sell either a .2GT2 and/or .2GT2RS along with the NA GT line up. They need to start bringing in as much $$$$ as they can for VW.
Old 11-10-2015, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
Respectfully, I think you guys are both wrong.

Porsche now understands the crazy demand generated by good NA GT drivers cars, with huge demand for all three and EVO car of the year awards for the GT3 and GT4. They know of the huge worldwide demand for a manual GT car as they were surprised by GT4 demand.

They can spend a minimal amount of R&D $ from VW(which needs to conserve cash), slightly tweak all thre engines to produce 15 more HP in each car, add a manual GT3 option, and they call sell 10,000 .2 generation GT cars (GT4, GT3, RS) without breaking a sweat.
According to Rennlister Porsche experts votes
There isn't an huge demand for the next GT3 to be manual

opposite is true the huge demand is for PDK-S

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...d-you-buy.html
Old 11-10-2015, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Bingo, those .2 GT cars are already done and R&D'ed...they see the good demand for all the GT cars. Hopefully they'll spend the next 1-2 years to get their suppliers teed up and their production capacity ready to pump out GT cars. Don't worry turbo lovers, they'll also sell either a .2GT2 and/or .2GT2RS along with the NA GT line up. They need to start bringing in as much $$$$ as they can for VW.
Money aside, how much chance do you think Porches has of getting a new NA car approved through the German government? Before the current issues I would have put it at less than 10%, now I would say it is less than 1%. I'm sure BMW wanted to keep the M3 NA but couldn't and right now the VW group is holding their ankles and thinking happy thoughts...
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Originally Posted by fxz
According to Rennlister Porsche experts votes
There isn't an huge demand for the next GT3 to be manual

opposite is true the huge demand is for PDK-S

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...d-you-buy.html
Let's face it, the pdk is just awesome!!! Even all the race cars now are using sequential gearbox similar to PDK… actually since the 90's! DTMs, F1, LMS etc.
Old 11-10-2015, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fxz
According to Rennlister Porsche experts votes
There isn't an huge demand for the next GT3 to be manual

opposite is true the huge demand is for PDK-S

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...d-you-buy.html
5 / 12 will choose manual according to that poll. So at least a choice should be offered. Many here would have bought the car in manual. I abstained from the 991.1, but will get the .2 with manual.
Old 11-10-2015, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 911_RS
Let's face it, the pdk is just awesome!!! Even all the race cars now are using sequential gearbox similar to PDK… actually since the 90's! DTMs, F1, LMS etc.
PDK is not a sequential gearbox. It does not resemble any of the race car transmissions you cite.

In my opinion, the 991 GT3 is too easy to go fast in. It's not a race car, it's an easy track weapon. Race cars (with their natural set-up, suspension, etc.) are difficult to drive fast.
Old 11-10-2015, 11:52 AM
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Cant remember if the Porche Cup (US Cup Series) cars are sequential shift? Minimal TV coverage cannot remember the onboard shots.
RSRs definitely Paddle.
Old 11-10-2015, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tgil
Cant remember if the Porche Cup (US Cup Series) cars are sequential shift? Minimal TV coverage cannot remember the onboard shots.
RSRs definitely Paddle.
The RSR is a pneumatic sequential (operated by paddles) and the Cup cars are traditional sequentials. No dual clutches.
Old 11-10-2015, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 997s07
PDK is not a sequential gearbox. It does not resemble any of the race car transmissions you cite.

In my opinion, the 991 GT3 is too easy to go fast in. It's not a race car, it's an easy track weapon. Race cars (with their natural set-up, suspension, etc.) are difficult to drive fast.
That is why I said it's similar and not the same, meaning you don't need to use a clutch pedal to shift. Just the paddles or gear lever…
Old 11-10-2015, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 911_RS
Let's face it, the pdk is just awesome!!! Even all the race cars now are using sequential gearbox similar to PDK… actually since the 90's! DTMs, F1, LMS etc.
Huh??
Old 11-10-2015, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jlanka
dealers usually know a lot less than most on this forum.
^^^^

I've gotten to the point where I just skim past posts that start out with "My dealer told me..."
Old 11-10-2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 997s07
The RSR is a pneumatic sequential (operated by paddles) and the Cup cars are traditional sequentials. No dual clutches.
Same type of transmission on the 991 Cup Cars as the RSR. They are sequentials with a pnuematic paddle shift system. The system or one similar has been implemented on several 997 Cup Cars in PCA Club Racing.
Old 11-10-2015, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sportscentury
^^^^ I've gotten to the point where I just skim past posts that start out with "My dealer told me..."
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Old 11-10-2015, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Seth Thomas
Same type of transmission on the 991 Cup Cars as the RSR. They are sequentials with a pnuematic paddle shift system. The system or one similar has been implemented on several 997 Cup Cars in PCA Club Racing.
Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.
Old 11-10-2015, 03:44 PM
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What will the 991.2 GT3 look like is a very interesting question. On one hand VW will be looking to generate and save every single penny it can. Porsche will most likely be asked to amp up sales and profits while containing costs. That bodes well for a NA car both with PDK and MT since both are doable with minimum R&D. So get a few more HP and bingo a .2 GT3 and sales for the group. On the other hand I have to think that VW will be pressed to be model citizen when it comes to emissions, thus a clear case for Turbo engines. It will be interesting meetings in the corporate board trying to decide which route to take. I lean towards a small run of NA units before a quick change to turbo GT3s.


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