991RS Review thread
11-18-2015, 08:42 AM
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Mine won't bring 6 figure with 10k miles always put away wet.
Or at least I'm going to do all I can to make it so because the car is way out of my pay scale, real proper abuse will do it. It guzzles oil, tires and it's too fast for my talent.
I'm 1 payment in at 6000 miles lol. 10k after Winterfest I bet.
Then again it didn't work so well with my 4.0 and we all know how I shoulda never sold that.
Than I have my 964 RSA that is pretty much 964 CUP + spec with interior and AC (and fuel cell custom cage custom everything)..I bought it with 4.0 left over money to carry me over to the next RS. I figured I won't like it and threatened the seller that if I don't like it he needs to take it back. Now I know why he was so confident. Nothing is more fun to wring out my RSA it's the car that tells me the most that I should have more talent but lack there off needs a coach ;-)
But of course in the last 24 months the 964's went nuts. Seems like the market is doing everything it can to make me sell these awesome cars.
Fingers crossed the bottom falls out mid Feb so im stuck with my hot rod RSA 991RS and GT4.
Who needs retirement money when you have no kids. We can skip whole foods and try the Walmart thing.
Or at least I'm going to do all I can to make it so because the car is way out of my pay scale, real proper abuse will do it. It guzzles oil, tires and it's too fast for my talent.
I'm 1 payment in at 6000 miles lol. 10k after Winterfest I bet.
Then again it didn't work so well with my 4.0 and we all know how I shoulda never sold that.
Than I have my 964 RSA that is pretty much 964 CUP + spec with interior and AC (and fuel cell custom cage custom everything)..I bought it with 4.0 left over money to carry me over to the next RS. I figured I won't like it and threatened the seller that if I don't like it he needs to take it back. Now I know why he was so confident. Nothing is more fun to wring out my RSA it's the car that tells me the most that I should have more talent but lack there off needs a coach ;-)
But of course in the last 24 months the 964's went nuts. Seems like the market is doing everything it can to make me sell these awesome cars.
Fingers crossed the bottom falls out mid Feb so im stuck with my hot rod RSA 991RS and GT4.
Who needs retirement money when you have no kids. We can skip whole foods and try the Walmart thing.
11-18-2015, 08:44 AM
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This is the dilemma. Buy the car for $200K, and say it's now worth $350K in an overheated market. You can sell the car, buy an almost new GT3, and still have $200K left over. Or you can garage queen the car, which means you derive almost no enjoyment from it, and it may eventually depreciate anyway, possibly back down to MSRP or below, so maybe $150K lost by holding on to it. Or you can drive it and enjoy it, maybe on the track, which will surely hurt the depreciation even more, and you have to be comfortable doing that in a car currently worth about $350K, and need to consider the cost of insuring it. Based on the compelling financial considerations, I'd have to take the cash and run.
Or if you're in TRAKCAR's position and the car is already truly used, don't look back, drive the hell out of it, and enjoy. That's what I'm doing with my regular GT3 - at this point the potential resale value of the car if/when I sell it is just not a factor for me.
Or if you're in TRAKCAR's position and the car is already truly used, don't look back, drive the hell out of it, and enjoy. That's what I'm doing with my regular GT3 - at this point the potential resale value of the car if/when I sell it is just not a factor for me.
11-18-2015, 09:23 AM
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Now they are too expensive to do that with.
11-18-2015, 09:46 AM
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This makes me wonder how good a driver the reviewer is, and therefore how much weight should be given to his review. At my local track, driven by a good pro, the 991 cup will be around 1:13s and the 991 GT3 will be around 1:18s.
11-18-2015, 12:09 PM
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11-18-2015, 12:31 PM
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"I was so at ease with this street-legal beast [991 GT3] that my best lap was four tenths of a second faster than my quickest time in the GT3 Cup race car."
This makes me wonder how good a driver the reviewer is, and therefore how much weight should be given to his review. At my local track, driven by a good pro, the 991 cup will be around 1:13s and the 991 GT3 will be around 1:18s.
This makes me wonder how good a driver the reviewer is, and therefore how much weight should be given to his review. At my local track, driven by a good pro, the 991 cup will be around 1:13s and the 991 GT3 will be around 1:18s.
11-25-2015, 11:10 AM
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^ Comparison was on a wet track with the RS having better tires for a wet track. For me, that renders the comparison meaningless, and I'd like see the comparison repeated on a dry track, ideally with the GT4 having the same N1 tires (which I assume it will, eventually). Interesting that N1 tires were made available first in RS sizes, and still not available in the GT3 and GT4 sizes ...
11-26-2015, 10:12 AM
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I have the same thoughts as others. I am MSRP into a 300K car. My RS is my favorite 911 ever. The best sense is to sell it and take the money. The 16 year old boy racer in me says says screw that. I am 60.
I have paid depreciation on many cars. I will look at it that way.
I have paid depreciation on many cars. I will look at it that way.
11-26-2015, 12:16 PM
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GERMAN TRACK’S LATEST 991 LAPTIMES
Autozeitung Test Track: GT3RS 1:32.50, TT 1:33.40, GT3 1:33.50
Hockenheim GP: GT3RS, 1:50.78, GT3 1:53.90
Hockenheim Short: GT3RS 1:08.50, TTS 1:08.70, TT 1:09.30, GT3 1:09.5
Sachsenring: TTS 1:32.51, TT 1:32.92, GT3 1:32.97
Autozeitung Test Track: GT3RS 1:32.50, TT 1:33.40, GT3 1:33.50
Hockenheim GP: GT3RS, 1:50.78, GT3 1:53.90
Hockenheim Short: GT3RS 1:08.50, TTS 1:08.70, TT 1:09.30, GT3 1:09.5
Sachsenring: TTS 1:32.51, TT 1:32.92, GT3 1:32.97
11-26-2015, 12:28 PM
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The RS having the N1 tire instead of the N0 on the GT3 was a surprise to many of us, so now I'm wondering: was the N1 just introduced recently, or is the N1 on all of the RS cars? That would affect the interpretation of these lap times and the delta between the GT3 and RS. But in general, so far it seems that the delta is less than the 2 s I would have estimated. With the reported 'ring times of 7:20 and 7:25, if you divide the 5 s delta by five to get the estimated delta on shorter tracks, that gives a 1 s delta, which is generally in line with the above numbers. I know the aero of the RS will slow its acceleration in the straights, but I'm still surprised that the additional downforce, wider tires, and likely better N1 tires aren't producing a larger delta compared to the GT3. Maybe the RS is harder to drive, even for pros? Some of the anecdotal info I got does suggest that.
11-26-2015, 12:49 PM
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The RS having the N1 tire instead of the N0 on the GT3 was a surprise to many of us, so now I'm wondering: was the N1 just introduced recently, or is the N1 on all of the RS cars? That would affect the interpretation of these lap times and the delta between the GT3 and RS. But in general, so far it seems that the delta is less than the 2 s I would have estimated. With the reported 'ring times of 7:20 and 7:25, if you divide the 5 s delta by five to get the estimated delta on shorter tracks, that gives a 1 s delta, which is generally in line with the above numbers. I know the aero of the RS will slow its acceleration in the straights, but I'm still surprised that the additional downforce, wider tires, and likely better N1 tires aren't producing a larger delta compared to the GT3. Maybe the RS is harder to drive, even for pros? Some of the anecdotal info I got does suggest that.
Always trying to justify the delta of the RS over the GT3 will get us nowhere..
The GT3 is already way up there in terms of performance, so even if the difference is a second or more, on a 1min+ lap, its huge!
The GT3 will have hoosiers soon? So will the RS, u never know!
11-26-2015, 01:04 PM
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I've been reading about this N1 tire issue over and over, but do we actually have proof, or any stated facts from michelin or porsche that it is a better version of the N0, or that it actually presents more grip?
Always trying to justify the delta of the RS over the GT3 will get us nowhere..
The GT3 is already way up there in terms of performance, so even if the difference is a second or more, on a 1min+ lap, its huge!
The GT3 will have hoosiers soon? So will the RS, u never know!
Always trying to justify the delta of the RS over the GT3 will get us nowhere..
The GT3 is already way up there in terms of performance, so even if the difference is a second or more, on a 1min+ lap, its huge!
The GT3 will have hoosiers soon? So will the RS, u never know!
I'd say that 1 s is 'substantial' but not huge. My own lap times vary 2+ s depending on tire pressure/heat, track conditions, how hard I'm comfortable pushing, etc. And among DE drivers of the 991 GT3 in top run groups, I sometimes see well over 2 s variation in lap times.
I do estimate that the R7 will drop our lap time around 3 s on these kinds of tracks, and it may even last longer than our Cup 2, though the effect on the warranty is still uncertain to me.