Considering a "backwards" move- 911 Turbo to 987 Cayman S
#31
Rennlist Member
Joel should chime in, he's had a TT and switched to a 987 Spyder.
I think you'll find the switch refreshing and the 987 is an amazing mid engine platform. Personally I think the 09 and newer models are also very undervalued, reliable engines with very good power curves, lightweight, visceral and focused drivers cars.
Go drive one.
I think you'll find the switch refreshing and the 987 is an amazing mid engine platform. Personally I think the 09 and newer models are also very undervalued, reliable engines with very good power curves, lightweight, visceral and focused drivers cars.
Go drive one.
To the OP, if you want to track it and have a very special car, with no IMS bearing issues, track down a 987.2 Cayman R. My 2 cents CND / 1.52 US.
All this being said, as a DD, every now and again I miss the 08 TT . The ability to drop the top, hit the heated seats, glove up and head out for a rip during any month of the year is second to none.
GL on your hunt!
#32
Rennlist Member
Here's another vote for moving "backwards". I went from 997tt to 981s, if I was going to track 987 would bring down the costs and is much more connected from what I've heard.
#33
Hey, sounds like you really wanted a Boxster. Just wanted to comment how awful 997TTs sound. A friend had a 997.2, and it sounded like a vacuum cleaner... and those were his words. He he. But yes, the TT power curve is not for everyone. I sold a 2015 GTR for the Cayman GTS, and couldn't be happier, even though it's substantially slower. A matter of personal preference & priorities, I guess.
#35
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Hey, sounds like you really wanted a Boxster. Just wanted to comment how awful 997TTs sound. A friend had a 997.2, and it sounded like a vacuum cleaner... and those were his words. He he. But yes, the TT power curve is not for everyone. I sold a 2015 GTR for the Cayman GTS, and couldn't be happier, even though it's substantially slower. A matter of personal preference & priorities, I guess.
The bottom line is that the mid-engined 987 / 981 is a superb platform, and really rivaled by no one and IMO is the best bang for your buck in the Porsche line up.
The special versions - the R, GT4, the Spyders take it up a notch.
And to the OP, I would make sure you go and drive a couple 987 / 981's and see you like the size of these cars. Coming from a 997 the cabin, especially in the 987, may feel cramped. Although the 981 has pretty much the same wheel base length as your 997 these are still small sports cars. As a weekend canyon-carver track-bit@h you'll enjoy it but may be a bit tight for long stints.
#36
You got it. I felt the TT with it's AWD was a bit of a pig in spirited driving conditions. And the Spyder being slower? With shedding those 400 + lbs, and the natural quickness of the NA engine, I never really noticed. It has enough skooch to throw you pack and it's instantly THERE for you.
The bottom line is that the mid-engined 987 / 981 is a superb platform, and really rivaled by no one and IMO is the best bang for your buck in the Porsche line up.
The special versions - the R, GT4, the Spyders take it up a notch.
And to the OP, I would make sure you go and drive a couple 987 / 981's and see you like the size of these cars. Coming from a 997 the cabin, especially in the 987, may feel cramped. Although the 981 has pretty much the same wheel base length as your 997 these are still small sports cars. As a weekend canyon-carver track-bit@h you'll enjoy it but may be a bit tight for long stints.
The bottom line is that the mid-engined 987 / 981 is a superb platform, and really rivaled by no one and IMO is the best bang for your buck in the Porsche line up.
The special versions - the R, GT4, the Spyders take it up a notch.
And to the OP, I would make sure you go and drive a couple 987 / 981's and see you like the size of these cars. Coming from a 997 the cabin, especially in the 987, may feel cramped. Although the 981 has pretty much the same wheel base length as your 997 these are still small sports cars. As a weekend canyon-carver track-bit@h you'll enjoy it but may be a bit tight for long stints.
As for the suggestion to get an r, or a spyder, that may be a future move but not right now. I am really trying to commit to the idea of getting something a little more entry-level, learning to drive well in it, modifying it along the way, and then after a track season or two perhaps moving up to a more special model. I kind of like the idea of buying a car that I will be tinkering with a bit rather than buying a car that is already fully done. Not to mention the rather large price difference. If I enjoy the track as much as I expect I will, then I will put a little more money into my weapon of choice. A GT4 is not completely out of the picture for somewhere down the road.
#37
I may have missed this but have you ever driven the turbo at a track day/DE? Maybe try one or two before you give up on the car. Maybe you will find you can enjoy what you already have if you just use it the way you want? I think at least one person mentioned the grass always seems greener on the other side.
#38
I may have missed this but have you ever driven the turbo at a track day/DE? Maybe try one or two before you give up on the car. Maybe you will find you can enjoy what you already have if you just use it the way you want? I think at least one person mentioned the grass always seems greener on the other side.
I fully admit that I have car ADD.
#39
Registered User
Just curious...
When you guys track your late model turbos, do you shut off all of the electronic nannies? The PSM, stability control, yada, yada?
To me it seems like the joy of tracking a Porsche is to see what your limits are and to learn to control the car...
Do all of those new gizmos take away from that experience?
Its impressive to see a driver hustle a 1980's and 1990's car on a track. With the newer cars, it seems less like the car does it all by itself...
When you guys track your late model turbos, do you shut off all of the electronic nannies? The PSM, stability control, yada, yada?
To me it seems like the joy of tracking a Porsche is to see what your limits are and to learn to control the car...
Do all of those new gizmos take away from that experience?
Its impressive to see a driver hustle a 1980's and 1990's car on a track. With the newer cars, it seems less like the car does it all by itself...
#40
Just curious...
When you guys track your late model turbos, do you shut off all of the electronic nannies? The PSM, stability control, yada, yada?
To me it seems like the joy of tracking a Porsche is to see what your limits are and to learn to control the car...
Do all of those new gizmos take away from that experience?
Its impressive to see a driver hustle a 1980's and 1990's car on a track. With the newer cars, it seems less like the car does it all by itself...
When you guys track your late model turbos, do you shut off all of the electronic nannies? The PSM, stability control, yada, yada?
To me it seems like the joy of tracking a Porsche is to see what your limits are and to learn to control the car...
Do all of those new gizmos take away from that experience?
Its impressive to see a driver hustle a 1980's and 1990's car on a track. With the newer cars, it seems less like the car does it all by itself...
#41
My 987.1 is for sale. Listed in classified. I've done a few track days with it and had zero problems with cooling, oil, or PS cooling. Always used street tires though. I am selling it to get something I can put r comps on and not worry about .1 track issues.
#42
Just curious... When you guys track your late model turbos, do you shut off all of the electronic nannies? The PSM, stability control, yada, yada? To me it seems like the joy of tracking a Porsche is to see what your limits are and to learn to control the car... Do all of those new gizmos take away from that experience? ..
#43
Counter point: keep the turbo, buy something truly cheap to thrash on track. Think miata, e36 or s2000.
Long term, you will appreciate the very low running cost of one of the above cars. If you are like me, the 3 times a year hobby turns into 40 days on track in a year. Even in a cayman, that gets quite expensive.
Long term, you will appreciate the very low running cost of one of the above cars. If you are like me, the 3 times a year hobby turns into 40 days on track in a year. Even in a cayman, that gets quite expensive.
#45