New Chip
07-29-2016, 07:02 AM
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New Chip
Got a link to this in an E-Mail from Pelican.
Dinan DINATronics Performance ECU, Porsche 911 Carrera 2/4 $152.25
Was wondering if anyone has had an experience with this, and how it installs?
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...DINTUN_pg8.htm
Thanks
Dinan DINATronics Performance ECU, Porsche 911 Carrera 2/4 $152.25
Was wondering if anyone has had an experience with this, and how it installs?
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...DINTUN_pg8.htm
Thanks
07-29-2016, 07:31 AM
#2
Is this the same Dinan as in Dinan the BMW tuner? I have a Steve Wong chip already and doubt there's any improvement to be had over it with this chip. Also how and where do you install this thing? It looks to be more than just a chip. I have no idea where that plug thing connects to. Not a bad price tho. That link you posted says its for 84-86 carrera. I don't see a 964 option tho
07-29-2016, 10:15 AM
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I also have a wong chip. I can tell you that my experience- without changing anything else in the motor, is that the Wong chip gives me a smoother curve, which is nice, but little to know real hp or torque gains.
The Authority chip years ago was a total disaster, as were many others.
And no one is going to convince me that in a 964, we can simply add a chip for a few hundred dollars and get an instant 20hp gain.
20 hp does not cost a few hundred dollars.
Steve Wong chip helped drivability. I have no experience w the dinan chip, and that article was about a 3.2 carrera motor....
This chip may be awesomeness....might be just the thing we have all been waiting for....maybe even better than the Wong chips (which are tried and true), so all I'm trying to say is "buyer beware". Keep your expectations in check. You aren't getting 20hp out of just chipping the car. Otherwise that would have been something we would all already have...
Horsepower in a 964 tends to cost around 1k per horse. There are easy low hanging fruits for the first few horses...but once you get over 5...look out, cuz it gets expensive. And not worth the gain. Better the driver first, then better the suspension, then lighten the car, and then sell it and buy a faster car to start over with...if you need more hp...
Or if you really love the 964 that much and have the money- ship it to Steve weiner and have him turn it into "Claudia 2"- real hp for real money.
The Authority chip years ago was a total disaster, as were many others.
And no one is going to convince me that in a 964, we can simply add a chip for a few hundred dollars and get an instant 20hp gain.
20 hp does not cost a few hundred dollars.
Steve Wong chip helped drivability. I have no experience w the dinan chip, and that article was about a 3.2 carrera motor....
This chip may be awesomeness....might be just the thing we have all been waiting for....maybe even better than the Wong chips (which are tried and true), so all I'm trying to say is "buyer beware". Keep your expectations in check. You aren't getting 20hp out of just chipping the car. Otherwise that would have been something we would all already have...
Horsepower in a 964 tends to cost around 1k per horse. There are easy low hanging fruits for the first few horses...but once you get over 5...look out, cuz it gets expensive. And not worth the gain. Better the driver first, then better the suspension, then lighten the car, and then sell it and buy a faster car to start over with...if you need more hp...
Or if you really love the 964 that much and have the money- ship it to Steve weiner and have him turn it into "Claudia 2"- real hp for real money.
07-29-2016, 02:13 PM
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07-29-2016, 02:46 PM
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You're not going to find anything off-the-shelf that is better than Steve Wong's chips. The Dinan chip is likely just changing the WOT timing curve to the RS curve. The fact that they sell different chips for early/late years, shows that they don't know what they're doing. The late chips basically just add additional CEL code and work fine in early cars.
The timing is where all of the power difference comes from. I believe that Steve gets his curves from personally real-time dyno tuning 964s. Plus he adds more timing to some of the part-throttle map, which is why the accelerator gets more responsive for day-to-day drives. I ran his 93octane chip back-to-back with the stock chip, completely stock motor, on the dyno. The hp/tq gains are in the single digits, but they're very much present. You might gain 1hp from another manufacture, but that just means that they've pushed the timing further into dangerous territory.
The timing is where all of the power difference comes from. I believe that Steve gets his curves from personally real-time dyno tuning 964s. Plus he adds more timing to some of the part-throttle map, which is why the accelerator gets more responsive for day-to-day drives. I ran his 93octane chip back-to-back with the stock chip, completely stock motor, on the dyno. The hp/tq gains are in the single digits, but they're very much present. You might gain 1hp from another manufacture, but that just means that they've pushed the timing further into dangerous territory.
07-29-2016, 02:50 PM
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I read down to the bottom & then looked @ the claims & graphs:
+21 hp @ 4,000 & 5,500 rpm
+21 #/ft @ 2,000 rpm, +28 #/ft @ 4,000 rpm, double digit torque gains up to 6,250 rpm.
Seems a lot for $152.25.
+21 hp @ 4,000 & 5,500 rpm
+21 #/ft @ 2,000 rpm, +28 #/ft @ 4,000 rpm, double digit torque gains up to 6,250 rpm.
Seems a lot for $152.25.
07-29-2016, 03:11 PM
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07-29-2016, 03:21 PM
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Not sure how much I will be able to answer on the product as I know very little about the technical side of it but thought I should at least chime in and clarify a few things.
THe blast that Pelican sent out had incorrect imagery. For some reason they used the imagery for DINANTRONICS (Advanced BMW piggyback system) instead of chip imagery which seems to be causing some confusion first and foremost. The cheaper chips are just that, chips, similar to the Steve Wong stuff. The more expensive ones also include some additional pieces depending on the application. These could include a wastegate shim, a regulator or a secondary chip, or a combination therein. This is the additional hardware the blurb refers to, but it comes with the purchase.
In regards to just being a BMW tuner... we actually made these chips back in the 90's in addition to a bunch of Japanese cars (supras as an example). Quite successfully actually. When push came to shove though Steve Dinan felt it best to sell off those businesses and focus on the BMW platform which is what we are known for. Those businesses that purchased them came and went years and years ago but the new ownership group decided to bring these pieces back into the fold back under the Dinan umbrella since we are expanding into that arena anyway. The product was already developed and available. Might as well list it. It should be noted that the Bosch system in the Porsche is very similar to the ones that were in the same generation BMW's so its not like its a totally foreign entity either. It was a natural progression then just like it is today.
As far as the gains go... Should be noted that Dinan always reports in crank numbers, not at the wheel. These numbers are no different (at least I imagine that to be the case, non of the old timers are in the office to confirm that).
THe blast that Pelican sent out had incorrect imagery. For some reason they used the imagery for DINANTRONICS (Advanced BMW piggyback system) instead of chip imagery which seems to be causing some confusion first and foremost. The cheaper chips are just that, chips, similar to the Steve Wong stuff. The more expensive ones also include some additional pieces depending on the application. These could include a wastegate shim, a regulator or a secondary chip, or a combination therein. This is the additional hardware the blurb refers to, but it comes with the purchase.
In regards to just being a BMW tuner... we actually made these chips back in the 90's in addition to a bunch of Japanese cars (supras as an example). Quite successfully actually. When push came to shove though Steve Dinan felt it best to sell off those businesses and focus on the BMW platform which is what we are known for. Those businesses that purchased them came and went years and years ago but the new ownership group decided to bring these pieces back into the fold back under the Dinan umbrella since we are expanding into that arena anyway. The product was already developed and available. Might as well list it. It should be noted that the Bosch system in the Porsche is very similar to the ones that were in the same generation BMW's so its not like its a totally foreign entity either. It was a natural progression then just like it is today.
As far as the gains go... Should be noted that Dinan always reports in crank numbers, not at the wheel. These numbers are no different (at least I imagine that to be the case, non of the old timers are in the office to confirm that).
07-29-2016, 04:03 PM
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Is there someone from Dinan that can provide more technical information? For example, does the chip contain a "fix" for those that have a light weight flywheel?
07-29-2016, 04:15 PM
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If I had to guess there probably is not a fix for a lightweight flywheel though. Considering we never went very far in to the Porsche hardware tuning outside of the chips there wouldn't have been much of a reason to tune for one.