If you were to replace your 964...
11-12-2014, 09:08 AM
#61
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CS has all the best bits ... which ones are those then ? the light weight carbon interior, the lightweight carbon front, rear & roof panels , the light weight carbon airbox , the thinner lighter glass , the CSL specific DGS software , the rolled arches , the CSL lighter thinner exhaust system , the lack of sound deadening and the differences go on etc etc etc . There is a complete list over on the CSL forum
Its like saying the 997 GTS is the same as a GT3 ... it isn't and never will be. Great cars in their own right ( CS or 911 GTS ) , but they are not a CSL or GT3 ... some times its more than just the sum of their parts too . In years to come , the CSL will still be talked about & rolled out to be compared against each new M3 / M4 ... the CS won't
... I am biased though as I have a CSL along with a few other cars
Its like saying the 997 GTS is the same as a GT3 ... it isn't and never will be. Great cars in their own right ( CS or 911 GTS ) , but they are not a CSL or GT3 ... some times its more than just the sum of their parts too . In years to come , the CSL will still be talked about & rolled out to be compared against each new M3 / M4 ... the CS won't
... I am biased though as I have a CSL along with a few other cars
11-12-2014, 09:21 AM
#62
Rennlist Member
If I had to sell the 964 and replace it with something that could seat four, and it couldn't be another 911 of another vintage, then I'd probably rock an E36 M3/4/5 in estoril blue or techno violet. I think it has some similarities to the 964 as far as driving dynamics when comparing it to its earlier iteration and later iterations. It's more comfortable and usable than the E30, yet more raw than the E46 and E90. I've owned an E36 M3/2/5 and spent some seat time in both the E46 and E90/E92. The newer cars, while faster and more luxurious, are also a lot heavier and feel a lot different than the E36 just like newer 911s compare to the 964.
I've also had a B6 S4, which although nice, was a pig, and I actually considered an RS4 until I drove about 4 different examples and felt that it wasn't what I'd hoped it would be. No product from Mercedes AMG that could be affordable if I sold the 964 really excites me. I'd actually even consider going back to a Subaru STI or VW GTI before a couple of those other cars.
I've also had a B6 S4, which although nice, was a pig, and I actually considered an RS4 until I drove about 4 different examples and felt that it wasn't what I'd hoped it would be. No product from Mercedes AMG that could be affordable if I sold the 964 really excites me. I'd actually even consider going back to a Subaru STI or VW GTI before a couple of those other cars.
11-12-2014, 10:36 AM
#63
Three Wheelin'
CS has all the best bits ... which ones are those then ? the light weight carbon interior, the lightweight carbon front, rear & roof panels , the light weight carbon airbox , the thinner lighter glass , the CSL specific DGS software , the rolled arches , the CSL lighter thinner exhaust system , the lack of sound deadening and the differences go on etc etc etc . There is a complete list over on the CSL forum
Its like saying the 997 GTS is the same as a GT3 ... it isn't and never will be. Great cars in their own right ( CS or 911 GTS ) , but they are not a CSL or GT3 ... some times its more than just the sum of their parts too . In years to come , the CSL will still be talked about & rolled out to be compared against each new M3 / M4 ... the CS won't
... I am biased though as I have a CSL along with a few other cars
Its like saying the 997 GTS is the same as a GT3 ... it isn't and never will be. Great cars in their own right ( CS or 911 GTS ) , but they are not a CSL or GT3 ... some times its more than just the sum of their parts too . In years to come , the CSL will still be talked about & rolled out to be compared against each new M3 / M4 ... the CS won't
... I am biased though as I have a CSL along with a few other cars
CSL's Bigger Brakes
CSL Wheels (fronts are half inch thinner than CSL one, rears identical)
CSL Steering Rack (quicker than standard)
M Track Mode
Granted the CSL is a lovely thing.. and I'm sure it will attain legendary status if it has not already. However for me you can experience most of what it offers for much less cash on a CS. I could of course be persuaded to test drive yours and be proved wrong!!
11-12-2014, 11:29 AM
#64
If I had to sell and it couldn't be another Porsche it would be either of these two,
Lotus ExigeS 3.5lt V6 Supercharged
Ferrari 355 GTB in black, navy or silver.
The Lotus is a track weapon out the bag (348HP 1176kg) although I'm sure I'd modify the hell outta it. The Ferrari I'd have to buy a high mileage one so that I could modify it and more importantly not give a damn about mileage.
Lotus ExigeS 3.5lt V6 Supercharged
Ferrari 355 GTB in black, navy or silver.
The Lotus is a track weapon out the bag (348HP 1176kg) although I'm sure I'd modify the hell outta it. The Ferrari I'd have to buy a high mileage one so that I could modify it and more importantly not give a damn about mileage.
11-12-2014, 04:54 PM
#65
Good thread, I've had a lotus exige so that's out for me. I just purchased a new daily driver on Saturday which is an e92 m3. Got to admit its wonderful to drive and fully loaded with gizmos. It's a daily driver so I won't mod it, keep that for the 964.
11-13-2014, 08:42 PM
#66
Drifting
If you want/need AWD - and are okay with smaller older cars (like a 964 ;-) I would look hard at a B5 S4 with upgraded turbos, etc (Stage 3 to Audi geeks) as previously mentioned. Or a Golf R? If you want something a little bigger/newer I'd look at newer S4/RS4 models or BMW 335(i or xi). If you don't want/need AWD - M3/ M5 or something along those lines.
^^^^ This ^^^^ but go for the Avant to be, you know, practical.....
Do you like to tinker?
http://www.audiworld.com/articles/9-...d-part-1-of-2/
(where have I heard this tune before :-) ?)
Last edited by Laker; 11-15-2014 at 01:36 AM.
11-14-2014, 02:43 PM
#68
This is not easily done! 2 seats are ok for me so it would have to be a noble m12 or possibly an exige or z3 m coupe, if I was being practical though it would have to be a modern m3 but don't think I'd I'de losing all that money on it! Bang for buck though it's a e46 m3, they're a bargain at the moment. Thought about this long and hard all summer and ended up getting a 996 turbo to go alongside it and it's great, fast and very capable, wouldn't trade the 964 for it though.
11-16-2014, 06:24 PM
#70
Racer
Thread Starter
I like all the shouts for a B5 S4. Been there and liked it very much.
An E46 CSL would be very tempting if it were a straight swap, although I suspect I'd regret it.
4 seats, fun and not losing your shirt on depreciation are a tricky combination.
An E46 CSL would be very tempting if it were a straight swap, although I suspect I'd regret it.
4 seats, fun and not losing your shirt on depreciation are a tricky combination.