Anyone know anything about this 964 RS racecar?
03-09-2012, 02:14 AM
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Lima=Lichtmachine=alternator
Benzi=Benzin=Fuel / Druck = pressure
Getr=Getriebe=transmission (oil temp)
ABS= alleviates ballsy situations;-)
Cool car!!! What's up with the vacuum/ boost gauge....was the engine pressure fed at some point in time?
Benzi=Benzin=Fuel / Druck = pressure
Getr=Getriebe=transmission (oil temp)
ABS= alleviates ballsy situations;-)
Cool car!!! What's up with the vacuum/ boost gauge....was the engine pressure fed at some point in time?
03-09-2012, 04:13 PM
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I am with Geoffrey. I bet lurking under that bodywork is a 964 Cup. If that turns out to be the case then you scored.
03-09-2012, 05:19 PM
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I'm working on figuring out exactly what this thing is. I don't think it is a factory cup. Could be wrong, but don't think so. I'll get more information tomorrow or tonight -- haven't had time to get it off the trailer yet even.
There is some documentation from the PO but not nearly as much as I could have hoped for -- I'll go through that tonight too.
evoderby: thanks for the translations!
There is some documentation from the PO but not nearly as much as I could have hoped for -- I'll go through that tonight too.
evoderby: thanks for the translations!
03-09-2012, 05:23 PM
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The engine alone is worth what he paid. Here's the text from the original ad over on Pelican. The seller states it raced with 'Obermeyer' racing, I'm sure he meant Obermaier Racing GmbH which raced everything from RSRs, 935s, 964 Cups, to the 964 Turbo S LM-GT, to 956 & 962. Several top-10 Le Mans finishes. Historic pics of various Obermaier 964s are on the net and with the Wagenpass data we can probably locate some of this specific car.
This is probably its sibling which raced at Le Mans in 1993. It finished 22nd overall and 7th in class (GT). Obermaier called it a 'C2 Cup' but it ran Le Mans with a 3,8 liter engine.
And the Obermaier 964 LM GT from 1995.
1993 964 RSR clone. Originally raced in European GT series by Obermeyer Racing. Includes Wagenpass documenting participation and tech stickers from events still affixed to the dash. Roll cage includes Le Mans tech sticker (although never started race). Current engine is Euro GT series-spec 3.9 liter RSR with appropriate engine management flash upgrade. Carbon fiber intake with individual butterflies for each cylinder. 6-speed G50 with short gears. Fire system. Currently fitted with Recaro Pole Position seat. Porsche Racing-branded brake calipers. 380mm front rotors with floating hats and 355mm rear rotors from 964 RS fronts. Adjustable brake bias. Airjacks and wand. 2 sets of 9x18 and 11.5x18 magnesium centered BBS centerlock wheels. Wheels are mounted with Yokohama racing slicks. Spare set of rains unmounted. Various miscellaneous used tires with practice life left in them. Premier endurance fuel cell with triple redundant fuel pumps. Bodywork by DP Motorsports. Current bodywork includes 993 front clip.
This is probably its sibling which raced at Le Mans in 1993. It finished 22nd overall and 7th in class (GT). Obermaier called it a 'C2 Cup' but it ran Le Mans with a 3,8 liter engine.
And the Obermaier 964 LM GT from 1995.
1993 964 RSR clone. Originally raced in European GT series by Obermeyer Racing. Includes Wagenpass documenting participation and tech stickers from events still affixed to the dash. Roll cage includes Le Mans tech sticker (although never started race). Current engine is Euro GT series-spec 3.9 liter RSR with appropriate engine management flash upgrade. Carbon fiber intake with individual butterflies for each cylinder. 6-speed G50 with short gears. Fire system. Currently fitted with Recaro Pole Position seat. Porsche Racing-branded brake calipers. 380mm front rotors with floating hats and 355mm rear rotors from 964 RS fronts. Adjustable brake bias. Airjacks and wand. 2 sets of 9x18 and 11.5x18 magnesium centered BBS centerlock wheels. Wheels are mounted with Yokohama racing slicks. Spare set of rains unmounted. Various miscellaneous used tires with practice life left in them. Premier endurance fuel cell with triple redundant fuel pumps. Bodywork by DP Motorsports. Current bodywork includes 993 front clip.
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03-09-2012, 05:24 PM
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Interesting, as the ABS ausschalter (push to kill) switch is in the right spot - don't see this very often at all.
Good pics of the cage would be a big help to determine if it is indeed factory Matter.
Good pics of the cage would be a big help to determine if it is indeed factory Matter.
03-09-2012, 09:28 PM
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OK! More pictures. and info. Let's see if we can figure this girl out.
1. Huge fuel cell.
2. Bunch of tech inspection stickers on the dash and on the roll bar
3. Triple(!?!?) fuel pumps
4. ITBs and 993 Motronic DME (at least, from all external appearances)
5. Bunch of weird stuff on the dash I don't quite get yet
6. Unhooked boost gauge and maybe turbocharger oil line?
7. Pauter rods on engine rebuild
8. 3.8 or 3.9L total displacement
9. twin oil coolers, which then feed brake ducts
10. Claimed 6 speed G50 but I seem to only be able to find 5 gears?
11. 2 sets of BBS magnesium center locks. Don't see any cracks but need to inspect more closely.
12. Engine looks to be in good shape / dry
13. What do people think about the roll cage? I think probably not OEM
14. What about the engine mounts?
15. The external nipple behind the right rear window leading to the canister on the rear passenger side...shocks?
16. Any other thoughts?
Pictures.
First album is from the seller:
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...68183676348465
And these are ones I took this afternoon on the trailer.
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...68412235399745
Here are some pics of the manuals I received -- the engine was rebuilt after a missed shift with Pauter rods, I know that at least...
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...70825937837073
1. Huge fuel cell.
2. Bunch of tech inspection stickers on the dash and on the roll bar
3. Triple(!?!?) fuel pumps
4. ITBs and 993 Motronic DME (at least, from all external appearances)
5. Bunch of weird stuff on the dash I don't quite get yet
6. Unhooked boost gauge and maybe turbocharger oil line?
7. Pauter rods on engine rebuild
8. 3.8 or 3.9L total displacement
9. twin oil coolers, which then feed brake ducts
10. Claimed 6 speed G50 but I seem to only be able to find 5 gears?
11. 2 sets of BBS magnesium center locks. Don't see any cracks but need to inspect more closely.
12. Engine looks to be in good shape / dry
13. What do people think about the roll cage? I think probably not OEM
14. What about the engine mounts?
15. The external nipple behind the right rear window leading to the canister on the rear passenger side...shocks?
16. Any other thoughts?
Pictures.
First album is from the seller:
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...68183676348465
And these are ones I took this afternoon on the trailer.
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...68412235399745
Here are some pics of the manuals I received -- the engine was rebuilt after a missed shift with Pauter rods, I know that at least...
https://plus.google.com/photos/10548...70825937837073
03-09-2012, 09:47 PM
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14 - Engine mounts look like factory solid engine mounts. Inspect them since they have a history of the ears breaking off. I always recommend to my customers to replace them with the EBS Racing solid mounts.
15 - That is the the reciptical for the air jacks.
15 - That is the the reciptical for the air jacks.
03-10-2012, 09:02 AM
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3 - The fuel pumps probably have two pumps that run in parallel, and the third is likely a reserve pump if the tank has an internal reserve section.
4 - Likely started from a 993 RSR
5 - What weird stuff?
6 - The chassis has holes in locations where turbo equipment would have likely been installed, including access panels from the driver's compartment through the firewall to the engine. I'd say it definately had a turbo engine installed at one time.
9 - Actually, the air flows from the inside of the cooler to the outsite and then exits under the car. So, the air going to the cooling ducts for the brakes is clean air. Interesting that there is a cooler on the passenger side, then two on the driver's side. I'd also be interested in a close up of the brake ducts, they may be GT2 parts that attach to the GT2 upright.
10 - Get the transmission number off the bottom of the case G50/?? to see what it started out life as.
13 - The cage looks very factorylike. I think the welds look much better than the factory, but I'd like to see all of the mounting points to see if it was a factory cage. The air jacks are not in the factory location in the front, possibly due to the large fuel cell, and also, they are AP racing which the factory did not use. I like the AP racing ones better, but you'll fall on the floor if you have to rebuild them. I actually bought a new one as it was less expensive.
4 - Likely started from a 993 RSR
5 - What weird stuff?
6 - The chassis has holes in locations where turbo equipment would have likely been installed, including access panels from the driver's compartment through the firewall to the engine. I'd say it definately had a turbo engine installed at one time.
9 - Actually, the air flows from the inside of the cooler to the outsite and then exits under the car. So, the air going to the cooling ducts for the brakes is clean air. Interesting that there is a cooler on the passenger side, then two on the driver's side. I'd also be interested in a close up of the brake ducts, they may be GT2 parts that attach to the GT2 upright.
10 - Get the transmission number off the bottom of the case G50/?? to see what it started out life as.
13 - The cage looks very factorylike. I think the welds look much better than the factory, but I'd like to see all of the mounting points to see if it was a factory cage. The air jacks are not in the factory location in the front, possibly due to the large fuel cell, and also, they are AP racing which the factory did not use. I like the AP racing ones better, but you'll fall on the floor if you have to rebuild them. I actually bought a new one as it was less expensive.
03-10-2012, 09:09 PM
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Geoffrey,
Thanks for the info. Here are my dash questions:
The seller did tell me today that the car once had a turbo motor in it. From the writing on the oil line in the engine compartment, that must have been back in Germany.
It looks from the roll cage sticker that the car was actually campaigned by a team called "Team Oberbayerr". Am I reading that right? Does anyone know about that team? Or am I misreading it.
You are 100% right on how the oil coolers work on closer inspection. And the center intake feeds the tubes which feed the brake ducts.
Transmission number is G50752 - 005485
You are also right that the air jacks were installed after the car was imported to the USA.
Thanks for the info. Here are my dash questions:
- What's the non-factory idiot light "Warning Light OL"? Big oil pressure warning?
- What's the light labeled "Warning Light R"?
- What's the light labeled "Clear Warning Light"?
- What's the red toggle button?
- What's the green ****?
- What't the **** next to the foglights for? I think something to do with the transmission?
The seller did tell me today that the car once had a turbo motor in it. From the writing on the oil line in the engine compartment, that must have been back in Germany.
It looks from the roll cage sticker that the car was actually campaigned by a team called "Team Oberbayerr". Am I reading that right? Does anyone know about that team? Or am I misreading it.
You are 100% right on how the oil coolers work on closer inspection. And the center intake feeds the tubes which feed the brake ducts.
Transmission number is G50752 - 005485
You are also right that the air jacks were installed after the car was imported to the USA.
3 - The fuel pumps probably have two pumps that run in parallel, and the third is likely a reserve pump if the tank has an internal reserve section.
4 - Likely started from a 993 RSR
5 - What weird stuff?
6 - The chassis has holes in locations where turbo equipment would have likely been installed, including access panels from the driver's compartment through the firewall to the engine. I'd say it definately had a turbo engine installed at one time.
9 - Actually, the air flows from the inside of the cooler to the outsite and then exits under the car. So, the air going to the cooling ducts for the brakes is clean air. Interesting that there is a cooler on the passenger side, then two on the driver's side. I'd also be interested in a close up of the brake ducts, they may be GT2 parts that attach to the GT2 upright.
10 - Get the transmission number off the bottom of the case G50/?? to see what it started out life as.
13 - The cage looks very factorylike. I think the welds look much better than the factory, but I'd like to see all of the mounting points to see if it was a factory cage. The air jacks are not in the factory location in the front, possibly due to the large fuel cell, and also, they are AP racing which the factory did not use. I like the AP racing ones better, but you'll fall on the floor if you have to rebuild them. I actually bought a new one as it was less expensive.
4 - Likely started from a 993 RSR
5 - What weird stuff?
6 - The chassis has holes in locations where turbo equipment would have likely been installed, including access panels from the driver's compartment through the firewall to the engine. I'd say it definately had a turbo engine installed at one time.
9 - Actually, the air flows from the inside of the cooler to the outsite and then exits under the car. So, the air going to the cooling ducts for the brakes is clean air. Interesting that there is a cooler on the passenger side, then two on the driver's side. I'd also be interested in a close up of the brake ducts, they may be GT2 parts that attach to the GT2 upright.
10 - Get the transmission number off the bottom of the case G50/?? to see what it started out life as.
13 - The cage looks very factorylike. I think the welds look much better than the factory, but I'd like to see all of the mounting points to see if it was a factory cage. The air jacks are not in the factory location in the front, possibly due to the large fuel cell, and also, they are AP racing which the factory did not use. I like the AP racing ones better, but you'll fall on the floor if you have to rebuild them. I actually bought a new one as it was less expensive.