TonyG > New Race Car Build Thread
07-24-2012, 08:45 AM
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Tony, you can call me at my office if you want to discuss. You can find the number on my website www.iscservices.net. At my current company, ISC Services disaster restoration, we pioneered the use of soda blasting for mold remediation. Before starting this company I also have a background in OEM automotive sealers, paints and the related prep.
Sand blasting can quickly destroy the substrate and is best left to heavy cast metals. Baking soda and dry ice are sharp crystals that allow the media blaster to remove the paint or other specific surface object without deformation or sacrifice of the substrate.
Baking is actually the best way to remove everything but it is best to dip in an phosphate rinse and then e coat afterward. In the "motor city" we have those resources available, you may as well.
Sand blasting can quickly destroy the substrate and is best left to heavy cast metals. Baking soda and dry ice are sharp crystals that allow the media blaster to remove the paint or other specific surface object without deformation or sacrifice of the substrate.
Baking is actually the best way to remove everything but it is best to dip in an phosphate rinse and then e coat afterward. In the "motor city" we have those resources available, you may as well.
07-25-2012, 12:35 AM
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Very cool, Tony. Can't wait to see it in action. I assume that it won't be ready in time for Laguna Seca next month, though.
I know the Joe A that you mention in the first post, he actually bought another race car from vision, the Gulf-colored 968-bodied one and will hopefully be back in action soon.
I know the Joe A that you mention in the first post, he actually bought another race car from vision, the Gulf-colored 968-bodied one and will hopefully be back in action soon.
07-25-2012, 01:19 PM
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Hey Tony – see what you can find out about the car in Lart’s picture. I bought it and I am going to make a bunch of changes this winter. The chassis is pretty much stock….for now!
07-25-2012, 10:02 PM
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Text me some pics so I can show him.
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08-08-2012, 02:47 AM
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More updates....
8/07/12
The front end was modified. And the new Vision/Kokeln rear torsion carrier with the raised roll centers and the far more adjustable alignment setup is here! (not to mention it's much lighter...).
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8/07/12
The front end was modified. And the new Vision/Kokeln rear torsion carrier with the raised roll centers and the far more adjustable alignment setup is here! (not to mention it's much lighter...).
TonyG
08-08-2012, 04:30 AM
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I'm impressed.. he used my spring plate version! lol.. Cool. --- Which started out as a version of his of course. 
interesting rounded end threaded tube design he has though. EDIT: - the type hes been using for the 911s!
Tony, make sure that the Spring plate offset pushes the Spring Plate to it furthest outer most position when you install it. Reverse of whats in the picture. For example.. The spring plate sets further out to one side, make sure that side is on the outer most position. (better described in pic) - UNLESS, you asked for an offset to bring the wheels closer together. (not as wide) Also, if you still have the rear brake line keepers that mount to the body where would best be described as under the rear seats facing down, Just leave them out.. Don't use them. Push them up and out of the way. The keepers on the arm will do just fine by themselves. The bar pushes everything too high to use them and makes the brake lines stress at an awkward angle. I doubt this chassis still has them honestly. Another quirk is to use spacers for the Sway bar mounts. About 1/4" for each bolt. Unless you have the special Kokeln sway bar, then it will bolt right up. Also, you might have to "dimple" in the bottom side of the seat bulges on the far sides. The end plates fight against them and wont let the roll center get quite high enough. when you push it up there, it will be evident. A small sledge hammer and something like a steel rod or bar or something sitting on the car to hammer on instead of the car itself does well here.
interesting rounded end threaded tube design he has though. EDIT: - the type hes been using for the 911s!Tony, make sure that the Spring plate offset pushes the Spring Plate to it furthest outer most position when you install it. Reverse of whats in the picture. For example.. The spring plate sets further out to one side, make sure that side is on the outer most position. (better described in pic) - UNLESS, you asked for an offset to bring the wheels closer together. (not as wide) Also, if you still have the rear brake line keepers that mount to the body where would best be described as under the rear seats facing down, Just leave them out.. Don't use them. Push them up and out of the way. The keepers on the arm will do just fine by themselves. The bar pushes everything too high to use them and makes the brake lines stress at an awkward angle. I doubt this chassis still has them honestly. Another quirk is to use spacers for the Sway bar mounts. About 1/4" for each bolt. Unless you have the special Kokeln sway bar, then it will bolt right up. Also, you might have to "dimple" in the bottom side of the seat bulges on the far sides. The end plates fight against them and wont let the roll center get quite high enough. when you push it up there, it will be evident. A small sledge hammer and something like a steel rod or bar or something sitting on the car to hammer on instead of the car itself does well here.
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08-08-2012, 04:41 AM
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I'm impressed.. he used my version! lol.. Cool. --- Which started out as a version of his of course. Tony, make sure that the Spring plate offset pushes the Spring Plate to it furthest outer most position. reverse of whats in the picture. For example.. The spring plate sets further out to one side, make sure that side is on the outer most position.
Tony, make sure that the Spring plate offset pushes the Spring Plate to it furthest outer most position. reverse of whats in the picture. For example.. The spring plate sets further out to one side, make sure that side is on the outer most position.Anyway... what's good is that the part makes sense in terms of why it's needed and how the fabrication and design are executed. And that the build quality is first class (which is no surprise since it comes from Vision Motorsports).
I think everyone that designs & fabricates these types of things sorta comes to the same conclusions about what needs to be built and why. It's just a shame that more people aren't building what 944 racers need on a regular basis.
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08-08-2012, 08:37 AM
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That is a very nice piece! I would love to see someone incorporate Hamlin boxes into the inner mount so the entire alignment could be much easier. Really like the steel plate over the thick aluminum piece originally used.
08-08-2012, 12:29 PM
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The whole assembly is loosely assembled. I'm not sure which orientation is correct. I just got it. I figure it will make sense when I install it.
Anyway... what's good is that the part makes sense in terms of why it's needed and how the fabrication and design are executed. And that the build quality is first class (which is no surprise since it comes from Vision Motorsports).
I think everyone that designs & fabricates these types of things sorta comes to the same conclusions about what needs to be built and why. It's just a shame that more people aren't building what 944 racers need on a regular basis.
TonyG
Anyway... what's good is that the part makes sense in terms of why it's needed and how the fabrication and design are executed. And that the build quality is first class (which is no surprise since it comes from Vision Motorsports).
I think everyone that designs & fabricates these types of things sorta comes to the same conclusions about what needs to be built and why. It's just a shame that more people aren't building what 944 racers need on a regular basis.
TonyG
Yep. It will make itself clear as soon as you get it up there. Vision certainly rocks.
I changed the words, "my design" to "my Spring plate design" to be more concise. Then I did a search and saw that type of metal spring plate had been used on the 911's for a while. SO, LOL yeah. Many things on the bars I'm making just HAVE to me a certain way, or there are a few ways to go about it, but one way certainly stands out more than another. He has probably never seen my version of the spring plates, but did the obvious way with the steel like I did. Well said Tony.
I hear you. And if you're hinting around, I could certainly make more parts, but only if there is a need for parts that just don't exist. Right now my hands are full, but soon I will have time to move on. Call me if Dwayne can't get to something, and I will certainly make an effort to make it for you.
