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Old 05-03-2016, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleNutz
I'm far from talking about the little niggly bits and pieces... everybody knows that all those things are not manufactured in the Porsche factory. However, nearly every automotive functional piece of the 928 was reengineered or spec'd out specifically for the 928 in a way that no other car manufacturer, at the time, had ever done before, right down to the decision to use a wood cover for the fuse panel in the passenger side footwell.

The nearly five plus years of development of the 928 was, at the time, revolutionary and the costs to bring it to production were an absolutely staggering undertaking for any automobile manufacturer. Such ownership of the engineering and development largely contributed to the Porsche 928 being the first sports car ever to win Car of The Year at the Geneva Auto Show.

Read the book on the development if you really want gain the best understanding of how complex and purpose built design engineering went into this car... it is purely astonishing at how much Porsche wanted this to be their own and reflective of no others.

I have to admit the first time I pulled the carpet away and saw the hinged black wooden panel for the fuse box and then saw the weird circular fuses, it was strange...


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Please forgive a N00B question...

Is this the book?

Project 928: A Development History of the Porsche 928 from First Sketch to Production (Hardcover)
by Julius Joseph Weitmann, Rico Steinemann

Hardcover: 160 pages
Publisher: Motorbuch Verlag; 2nd edition (1978)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 3879435189
ISBN-13: 978-3879435180
Product Dimensions: 11.1 x 9.7 x 0.7 inches
Shipping Weight: 2.4 pounds

You weren't woofing...Amazon's got around 25 copies and even the cheap ones run around $150.

Is it worth the cost?
Would love to see a copy first before I order. Is it possible for someone to bring one on Saturday at Dixie House, please?

Very appreciative if someone can bring one!

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Also curious about something.


I heard somewhere that the car was designed to allow large items such as bookcases to be transported safely from one side of Germany to the other.


Sure enough when I open the back hatch you can fold down the seats and put a full-sized bookcase in there with a little wiggle room on each side.


If true, takes my respect of the car to a whole new level.


Also like the way the rear visors also flip to the rear to prevent the rear window from getting hair oil smeared all over it from back seat passengers that are taller than Yoda...


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Old 05-03-2016, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by zaevor2000
I have to admit the first time I pulled the carpet away and saw the hinged black wooden panel for the fuse box and then saw the weird circular fuses, it was strange...


Frank
Dry wood is an excellent electrical insulator. However, it's also a decent fire hazard. Win some, lose some.
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Originally Posted by docmirror
Dry wood.
Ahem "Naturally occurring composite."

Very sophisticated.
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Originally Posted by docmirror
Dry wood is an excellent electrical insulator. However, it's also a decent fire hazard. Win some, lose some.
Early 911s have a wooden floor board which goes behind the pedals nice piece of black painted plywood So Porsche stuck with their normal way of doing things.

The round fuses are the standard old style common on many cars especially European ones.
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Originally Posted by 123quattro
Having been inside a 928 engine and a Buick (Rover) V8 I can tell you they share nothing except for both being made out of aluminum.
As have I.

The Rover v8 is garbo, 50s technology.
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Originally Posted by Oh_Deer
As have I.

The Rover v8 is garbo, 50s technology.
Ectually, it was developed by GM for the BOP(Buick, Olds, Pontiac) group. With varying head designs. Rover licensed it later. In the 50s, it was quite a novel and well liked platform. But -- it's 70 YO technology.
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Thank you very much for the enlightenment!

I wondered why they used naturally occurring composite (aka "wood" to the philistines like me...), instead of plastic.

I've got an 84 with the old style fuses. I believe 85 is when they converted over to the normal chip kind for the 928?

Great info guys. Appreciate it!


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Originally Posted by James Bailey
There is nothing unique or original about the 928 engineering...
Wow, wow, just wow... I am certain every production automobile that was engineered with nikasil bores, among other design and engineering innovations, is just lining up to take that credit, before the Porsche 928.

I will be certain to present that info to Porsche when I am at the 24 Hours of LeMans next month... "There is nothing unique or original about the 928 engineering"

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Originally Posted by zaevor2000
Please forgive a N00B question...

Is this the book?

Project 928: A Development History of the Porsche 928 from First Sketch to Production (Hardcover)
by Julius Joseph Weitmann, Rico Steinemann

Hardcover: 160 pages
Publisher: Motorbuch Verlag; 2nd edition (1978)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 3879435189
ISBN-13: 978-3879435180
Product Dimensions: 11.1 x 9.7 x 0.7 inches
Shipping Weight: 2.4 pounds

You weren't woofing...Amazon's got around 25 copies and even the cheap ones run around $150.

Is it worth the cost?
Would love to see a copy first before I order. Is it possible for someone to bring one on Saturday at Dixie House, please?

Very appreciative if someone can bring one!

Frank
Yep that is the book... you can usually find a chewed up copy with no dust cover for about $150, but the going rate for a clean copy is between $200-$300.
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Originally Posted by DoubleNutz
Yep that is the book... you can usually find a chewed up copy with no dust cover for about $150, but the going rate for a clean copy is between $200-$300.

thanks for the confirmation!
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Originally Posted by 123quattro
Having been inside a 928 engine and a Buick (Rover) V8 I can tell you they share nothing except for both being made out of aluminum.

Yeap but there are some here that will argue that the 928 engine is a hammered copy with stolen engineering and design-- "OH PORSCHE STOLE IT'S V8 CONCEPT FOR THE 928 FROM ROVER, THERE'S NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT 928's ENGINE AS OPPOSED TO A ROVER OR A VETTE!!!" LMAO
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Just to add to the fray;


When you copy from one source it's plagiarism. When you copy from multiple sources... it's research
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Originally Posted by docmirror
Dry wood is an excellent electrical insulator. However, it's also a decent fire hazard. Win some, lose some.
Yep it was purpose built this way to absorb moisture and condensation away from the fuse panel and as insulator.


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