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Old 11-27-2015, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Snark Shark
You're right! Page 55 in my 1985 manual. (early 86 car). "never lug the engine in high gear at low speeds. This rule applies all the time, not just during the break-in period." That really makes me wonder what the exact definition of "lug" is though.
The exact definition of lugging is exactly what you say you are doing. It's your car to destroy, but I recommend you stop doing it.
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Originally Posted by G8RB8
The exact definition of lugging is exactly what you say you are doing. It's your car to destroy, but I recommend you stop doing it.
How many revs do you need to not be lugging it? That's all I want to know.
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There's no set number of revs. The engine needs to be able to rev freely. If you floor it and it doesn't scare you a little you're lugging it.
Old 11-27-2015, 06:18 PM
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If the engine doesn't feel comfortable or happy it probably isn't. There isn't a downshift light so shift down accelerate at the pace that you want to accelerate and see if the up shift light comes on, it probably won't until you back off and reach steady state conditions or until you're higher in the rev range to support the acceleration in the higher gear.

The shift light wasn't put in for the driver, it was put in so the manufacturer could score CAFE points. It wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer did something that was detrimental to a car to meed some manner of government regulation, my favorite being lifetime fluids.

I believe the introduction of 5w20 oil was also a CAFE move by ford.

My son's 944s needs revs for any real acceleration although it will cruise happily at lower RPMS, when I drive it I typically find myself in a gear lower than it could go at unless I'm on the highway. The engine is happier at revs, normal in traffic changes in speed are much easier, no downshift required, and no noticeable change in performance.

As for the chance of damaging the engine lugging it, I recall an article on the Volvo turbo engines, which limit boost at conditions that would be considered lugging because of the possible damage. As I recall the problem was that with heavy load, at low RPMs given that the spark occurs before TDC, that the combustion process at lower RPMs would be further along than desireable before the cylinder hit TDC causing damaging pressure in the cylinder that were capable of bending rods. I see no reason that the same thing wouldn't be a problem with a higher performance NA engine.

Fortunately grannies don't have to worry as the torque converter on their automatics takes up the slack.

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Originally Posted by wpgshark
If the engine doesn't feel comfortable or happy it probably isn't. There isn't a downshift light so shift down accelerate at the pace that you want to accelerate and see if the up shift light comes on, it probably won't until you back off and reach steady state conditions or until you're higher in the rev range to support the acceleration in the higher gear.

The shift light wasn't put in for the driver, it was put in so the manufacturer could score CAFE points. It wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer did something that was detrimental to a car to meed some manner of government regulation, my favorite being lifetime fluids.

I believe the introduction of 5w20 oil was also a CAFE move by ford.

My son's 944s needs revs for any real acceleration although it will cruise happily at lower RPMS, when I drive it I typically find myself in a gear lower than it could go at unless I'm on the highway. The engine is happier at revs, normal in traffic changes in speed are much easier, no downshift required, and no noticeable change in performance.

As for the chance of damaging the engine lugging it, I recall an article on the Volvo turbo engines, which limit boost at conditions that would be considered lugging because of the possible damage. As I recall the problem was that with heavy load, at low RPMs given that the spark occurs before TDC, that the combustion process at lower RPMs would be further along than desireable before the cylinder hit TDC causing damaging pressure in the cylinder that were capable of bending rods. I see no reason that the same thing wouldn't be a problem with a higher performance NA engine.

Fortunately grannies don't have to worry as the torque converter on their automatics takes up the slack.

Lance
That's the first explanation I've seen for lugging damage that really makes sense. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Daniel5691
Are there predictable, detrimental effects on the 928 as a result of "babying" the car during driving?
The damage is not to the 928 it's to your soul.

Blow the soot out. Find the edge by going over it. Feel the thrill that car gods intended, go home and be a stallion and, as you drift off to sleep, think it was one of the best days of your life.
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I would define lugging as the engine having a large load on it at a low rpm and cannot pick up the rpms swiftly with a large amount of throttle.
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My definition of warming up a car is two things...

1.) DO NOT let the car sit and idle until the engine is warm. The main thing about letting a car sit and idle cold is that you are only warming the engine and not the other moving parts of the car.

When I had high temp racing brake pads on my 90 GT you were forced to take it easy in the first block of driving especially when approaching the first stop sign at the end of the block. If going too fast and waiting too late to apply the brakes, you did not stop!

2.) Drive it easy without revving the engine until the engine is warm. Driving easy means to accelerate at half throttle of less, and shift manual transmission at the Operator's Manual recommended shift points which is around 3000 rpm. Like the auto would shift at half throttle or less.

This is from the start up recommendation in the Operator's Manual that came with my Boxster S.
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I thought I read in the manual somewhere lugging was clarified as running the engine in higher gear (manual transmission) for extended periods of time below 1,500 or 1,200 rpms...the reduction in torque multiplication means the engine is having to produce more torque rather than have the torque benefit from multiplication when being in lower gears...so 4 or 5th gear...piddling around town at 1,200 rpms..Porsche don't like.

Its a Porsche, which means its a race car. I drive it like there's no tomorrow...the engine runs better the harder its' driven...use oil that has lots of zinc and phosphorous so it's sticking nicely to everything and if you aren't in severe colder climes 20W/50 works well all year long.

And the manual is also direct regarding warm up...don't start the car and let it idle for an extended period of time to warm up; drive it immediately....just reasonably and easily until things warm up properly...including drivetrain...which of course takes longer..

Plenty of examples with over half a million miles and still going strong and also being driven like they're stolen...don't be afraid of it....it isn't afraid of you.
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the engine has no idea how many miles it has been driven....it ONLY knows how many times the pistons have gone up and down. Drive it at 4,000 RPM and it WILL wear out twice as fast as it does at 2,000 RPM . Also burns way more fuel Porsche when endurance testing the engines as documented in Project 928 only ran the 928 engines at 1/2 to full load for a little over 100 hours until failure but were satisfied that was equivalent to a normal road use life......even at 150 MPH that is ONLY 15,000 miles !!! Buy a new 911 race car and you need to rebuild the engine at 40-80 HOURS replacing many of the parts.
Got "passed" on the freeway by two Ferraris and a Lambo yesterday I was doing 70 MPH they maybe 80-85 but all three were reving 6,000 or so just to hear the sound of their engines ....
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Building on Jim's description, remember that friction (and therefore wear) actually increase at the --square-- of the increase in speed. So double the RPM's gives you four times the wear. Fortunately, friction (and therefore wear) "only" increase in direct proportion to changes in pressure. Some things like the extra wear around TDC are related to ring 'movement' as the piston changes direction. The movement is different when there is combustion pressure helping to keep the rings solidy against the cylinder walls.

Will a car driven conservatively like this old white-haired guy last longer than the same car driven by white-haired Bill Ball, manually shifting and doing open road racing at speed? It should. But it might not be nearly as much fun.

Airplane engines have a recording tach and a 'Hobbs' hour meter. Maintenence is scheduled based on those. Perhaps the best indication of wear life on a car engine is a careful inspection of fuel consumption. Virtually every factor that causes wear in the driveline causes a directly-proportional change in fuel consumption.
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And building on Doc's. Lugging the engine increases cylinder pressure which pushes the rings harder against the cylinder walls, makes the valves harder to open, increases force on wrist pins and journals all of which increase wear.
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Daniel,

There are major detriments to operating your car in a "lugging" easy fashion.. they range from cam wear to non optimal combustion temps that can cause carbon build up. more importantly oil temps that you referenced in the information you provided to the list yesterday.
our 928s are made to be driven, and driven spiritedly or they will be in the shop being worked on.

From Daniel:

Robust Optimization of Engine Lubrication System 2007-04-16 Technical Paper 2007-01-1568 Wei Tao, Yiqing Yuan, Eysion A Liu, James Hill, Qian Zou, Gary Barber The quality of engine lubrication depends upon how much oil is supplied and how the lubricant is pressurized to the lubricated components. These variables strongly affect the safe operation and lifespan of an engine. During the conceptual design stage of an engine, its lubrication system cannot be verified experimentally. It is highly desirable for design engineers to utilize computer simulations and robust design methodology in order to achieve their goal of optimizing the engine lubrication system. The heuristic design principle is a relatively routine resource for design engineers to pursue although it is time consuming and sacrifices valuable developing time. This paper introduces an unusual design methodology in which design engineers were involved in analyzing their own designs along with lubrication system analyst to establish a link between two sophisticated software packages.
Transportation and Transformation of Air Bubbles in Aerated Oil through an Engine Lubrication System 2004-10-25 Technical Paper 2004-01-2915
Ben Ni, John Pieprzak The amount of free air in an engine oil can affect the performance of some engine components. Part of the air in an aerated oil can be dissolved into the oil, while some may remain as free air when the oil reaches these components. A methodology of analyzing how much air dissolves into the oil and how much remains as free air in a lubrication system is presented. A V6 gasoline engine is used as an example to calculate the changes of air bubble sizes due to compression and dissolution into the oil. The amount of air dissolved and the amount of free air in the oil when it reaches various locations along the lubrication passageways are estimated. It is concluded in the case studied that small air bubbles will be dissolved entirely before the oil reaches oil galleries in the heads, while most air in large air bubbles will stay as free air.
Engine Lubrication System Model for Sump Oil Temperature Prediction
2001-03-05 Technical Paper 2001-01-1073 Steve Zoz, Steve Strepek, Marc Wiseman, Cheng Qian A flow and heat transfer model of an engine lubrication system has been developed in order to predict sump oil temperature and study heat transfer mechanisms within the lubricating oil circuit. The objective was to develop the capability of simulating all the energy transfers between the oil and the combustion process, the engine coolant, and the engine bay air. The model developed in this study simulates a V8 spark ignited engine. Included in this simulation is a bearing model for friction heat generation, a combustion heat input model, and component models for each key heat transfer site in the lubricating oil circuit. The model predicts sump oil temperatures under different engine operating conditions and simulation results were compared to test data with good agreement. The sensitivity of oil temperature to engine speed, engine load, coolant temperature, piston friction, bearing heat energy generation, piston design, water jacket depth, and oil flow rate(s) was studied.
Analysis of the Acoustic Emission of an Oil Pump: Experimental and Numerical Activities 2014-11-11 Technical Paper 2014-32-0120 Sara Gronchi, Riccardo Maccherini, Raffaele Squarcini, Fabio Guglielmo, Emanuela Ligarò Abstract In the modern engine of both small and large size, the acoustic emission is a very important matter increasingly studied as per specific international standards. This paper presents the study of the acoustic emission of a hydraulic rotary oil pump by means of measurement techniques and numerical approaches. This activity aims at showing a complete test-case in which both methods are used to face a noise issue and highlighting also the “weight” of the hydraulic excitation in both cases. In particular, an oil pump has been completely characterized on a test bench to verify the hydraulic performances and the noise radiation. A structural modification has been suggested with the target of altering the noise spectrum of the pump, achieving an optimization of the noise generation. From this assumption, experimental and numerical activities have started in parallel.
A Simulated Analysis of the Lubrication Circuit of an In-Line Twin Automotive Engine 2014-04-01 Technical Paper 2014-01-1081 Alessia De Vizio, Adolfo Senatore, Dario Buono, Emma Frosina, Pasquale Gaudino, Agostino Iorio
Abstract In recent years, the need to optimize the performance and reduce exhaust emissions of internal combustion engines has caused the design of the auxiliary (like lubrication and cooling pumps) to assume a particular importance. This is especially due to the necessity to obtain higher efficiency with less expense in terms of work assigned to these organs. With respect to the lubrication circuit, this means the use of solutions that allow the optimization of the fluid dynamics of both the ducts and the pump. This work is based on a simulated analysis carried out on the lubrication circuit of a light duty internal combustion engine, developed by Fiat and equipped with a hydraulic VVT system. A Tridimensional CFD Analysis of the Lubrication Circuit of a Non-Road Application Diesel Engine 2013-09-08 Technical Paper
2013-24-0130 Emma Frosina, Adolfo Senatore, Dario Buono, Federico Monterosso, Micaela Olivetti, Luigi Arnone, Luca santato The aim of this paper is the analysis of a Diesel engine lubrication circuit with a tri-dimensional CFD technique. The simulation model was built using Pumplinx®, a commercial code by Simerics Inc.®, developed and optimized for predicting oil flow rates and cavitation phenomena. The aim of this paper is, also, to show that this code is able to satisfactorily model, in a very “economic” way, an unsteady hydraulic system such as the lubrication circuit First of all, an accurate model of a lubrication circuit oil pump will be described. The model was validated with data from an experimental campaign carried out in the hydraulic laboratory of the Industrial Engineering Department of the University of Naples. Secondly, the oil pump model was coupled with a tri-dimensional model of the entire lubrication circuit, in order to compute all the hydraulic resistances of the network and the oil consumption rate of the circuit components
Engine Lubrication System for Oil Flow Reduction 2011-10-04 Technical Paper
2011-36-0205 Sergio Adrian Ferreyra, Samantha Uehara, Matheus dos Santos Ferreira, Omar Mian The reduction of oil demand for automotive engines has been driven recently by the need to reduce oil pump capacity so that benefits from having a smaller size, including a reduction in power loss and CO₂ emissions. Crankshaft bearings are generally attributed to be the largest consumers, main bearings in particular since the supply pressure in the upper bearing shell oil groove over a large arc (circumferentially) coincides with high average clearance. Measurements of oil flow indicate that the main bearing groove is significant and there is a trade-off between lower oil flow and higher bearing temperatures. All solutions must ensure that the oil supply to the big-end bearings via crank drillings is not compromised. Numerical simulation tools can be used to predict and optimize the total oil flow required by the engine lubrication system. In this work, the Elasto-Hydrodynamics Simulation (EHL) was used to analyze the oil flow required by the crankshaft main bearings.
Strategies for Energy Savings with Use of Constant and Variable Oil Pump Systems 2011-10-04 Technical Paper 2011-36-0150 Joao Meira, Ayres Filho, Weber Melo, Eduardo Ribeiro Automotive lubrication systems have been studied for long time, looking for improving its efficiency and reduce power consumption. On this context, the oil pump plays an important role, because most of the actual systems are made of constant flow pumps, with a relief valve to make a recirculation of the excess of flow, which is an important point of losses. On this paper we describe the actual pumping systems in terms of design and application and compare them with the new variable pumps.
Numerical & Experimental Investigation of Flow through Pressure Relief Passage of Gerotor Oil Pump of a Passenger Car Diesel Engine 2011-04-12
Technical Paper 2011-01-0414 S. Loganathan, Ramalingam Sivanantham, J. Sureshkumar, S. Prabhakar, Srinivasan Seethapathy The main challenge in designing the oil pump for gasoline & diesel engines is to optimize the pressure relief passage. Pressure relief passage is critical from design point of view as it maintains the oil pressure in the engine. Optimal levels of oil pressure and flow are very important for satisfactory performance and lubrication of various engine parts. Low oil pressure will lead to seizure of engine and high oil pressure leads to failure of oil filters, gasket sealing, etc. Optimization of pressure relief passage area will also reduce the power consumed by the pump. The Pressure relief system for this study consists of Pressure relief valve, spring, retainer, pressure relief passages. It is difficult to directly measure the flow through the pressure relief passage and is arrived based on the drop in flow at the delivery port. Numerical tool will be handy to predict the flow through the pressure relief passage and this can be used to optimize the flow through the bypass passage.
Development of Analytical Model for Design of Gerotor Oil Pump and Experimental Validation 2011-04-12 Journal Article 2011-01-0402
P. Lingeswaramurthy, J. Jayabhaskar, R. Elayaraja, J. Suresh Kumar
Increasing the efficiency of the Engine parts and reduction in development time with good accuracy are the challenges in the Automotive Industry. Lubricating oil pump has been selected for this study. Existing literatures explain the methodology to generate the rotor profile from the given geometrical parameters of the rotor like eccentricity, tooth radius etc. Invariably the specifications to design the pump are provided in terms of pump performance at various operating conditions. The analytical model developed in this study uses the performance and boundary specifications to generate the rotor profile and to estimate the flow rate at various operating conditions of the pump. This methodology includes the generation of trochoidal profile for inner rotor and modified conjugate profile for the outer rotor and the volume calculation of number of chambers (N) which are created between the rotors during meshing.
A Study on Engine Lubrication System by Optimized Network Analysis - Part II: Parametric Study - 2000-10-16 Technical Paper 2000-01-2923 Sang Myung Chun, Young Whan Park, Siyoul Jang Parametric studies based on a computer analysis of the lubrication system of a four-cylinder gasoline engine are illustrated in this paper. The effects of various aeration ratios on flow rate and pressure are investigated. Based on results from an existing engine, various combinations of newly developed components such as a new oil pump, a new oil filter, and an oil cooler assembly are tried for analysis. The illustrated results may help designers design engine lubrication systems.
A Study on Engine Lubrication System by Optimized N etwork Analysis - Part I: Case Study 2000-10-16 Technical Paper 2000-01-2921 Sang Myung Chun, Young Hwan Park, Siyoul Jang A computer model was developed to allow for parametric studies of engine lubrication systems. A case study of a four-cylinder gasoline engine is presented in this paper. Mathematical models describing the oil flow through the hydraulic tappet, oil jet, and plain journal bearings are also presented. The flow from an oil pump and the flow resistance through an oil filter are considered at various temperatures. Various design guidelines are applied in the analysis. The effect of oil aeration on the engine lubrication system is examined. The flow and pressure distributions are calculated and the pressure data is compared with experimental data at various locations within the engine lubrication system. This new computer model can be used to facilitate the engine lubrication system design process.
Simulating Engine Lubrication Systems with 1-D Fluid Flow Models 000-03-06
Technical Paper 2000-01-0284 Felix Klingebiel, Uwe Kahlstorf This paper describes the use of 1-D Fluid Flow Simulation Software Models of different complexity to model different aspects of Internal Combustion Engine Lubrication Systems. It shows how such models may differ in order to achieve the analysis objectives and reliable results for the different aspects of the system. It also shows how sub models can be used to compose system models which reflect the interaction of the engine's fluid systems.
Development of Modern Engine Lubrication Systems 1997-02-24 Technical Paper 970922 Franz Koch, Franz Maassen, Uwe Geiger Modern passenger car engines are designed to operate at increasingly higher rated engine speeds with more internal parts (multi-valve engines) requiring lubrication. The paper presents results of research and development activities to reduce the actual feed rate of the oil consumers to their real requirements depending on the most significant influence parameters. Based on these results an optimization strategy is presented which combines CAE tools with data from experimental work. In the conclusion of the paper recommendations are summarized to show the optimization potential of actual lubrication and ventilation systems concerning design. power input respectively oil consumption.
Design and Analysis of Engine Lubrication Systems 1997-02-24 Technical Paper 970637 M. A. Mian Methods for the design and analysis of engine lubrication systems have been developed and illustrated in a case study - a four cylinder high speed direct injection (HSDI) diesel engine for passenger car applications. The paper gives design methods and strategies for pump sizing and flow balance, including allowance for the worn engine applicable to a variety of engine classes. In addition the paper gives mathematical models for oil flows through piston cooling jets and plain journal bearings - fully grooved, partially grooved and plain bearings with a single oil hole feed. Methods presented can be used to design lubrication systems for optimum and practical specification of oil pump size, pressure relief valves, by-pass filtration, gallery sizes, oil flow through bearings in the cylinder head and cylinder block and piston cooling jets as well as calculating parasitic losses in the engine due to hydrodynamic pumping.
Oil Pressure Signatures for Engine Lubrication System Monitoring 1984-02-01
Technical Paper 840063 Brij B. Seth, Nathaniel L. Field This paper describes an application of signature analysis techniques to oil pressure signals of internal combustion engines for monitoring the status of an engine lubrication system. The dynamic characteristics of a lubrication flow network are presented. The state of the lubrication system is reflected not only in the mean or D.C. component, but also in higher frequencies of the signal. Experimental results are presented for both periodic and position locked components of the pulsatile signals. The signal characteristics are altered if a defect is present in the engine. Signal characteristics are affected due to perturbations introduced by the defect present downstream in the lubrication system. The changes in oil pressure signals are sensitive to oil temperature and proximity of the defect to the monitoring point. Results are presented to indicate limitations of such analysis techniques for lubrication system fault detection.
A Simplified Approach to Flow Network Analysis: Application to Engine Lubrication Systems 1975-02-01 Technical Paper 750080 Kenneth H. Huebner
The nature of general flow network problems is discussed, and nonlinear programming techniques are suggested as an especially expedient method of solution. In particular, the computer coding for Rosenbrock's algorithm is given, along with step-by-step instructions for its use in analyzing arbitrary flow networks. Application of the solution technique to the analysis of an engine lubrication system is also presented.
Digital Simulation of Engine Lubrication Systems 1971-02-01 Technical Paper
710205 ROBERT S. LO This paper presents an analytical method of simulating an automotive engine lubrication system. It charts oil flow rates and distribution in a typical V-8 engine; this is followed with a detailed analysis of major components. Basic hydraulic diagrams and the lubrication circuit analysis are described with working equations. The computer program with sample results is illustrated, and the calculations are compared with actual dynamometer test results. This analytical method can be used to determine the adequacy of oil pump capacity, and to evaluate bearing design and oil path circuitry.
RELATION OF LUBRICATION AND FILTRATION TO ENGINE LIFE 1944-01-01
Technical Paper 440075 Cecil Bentley
Five Popular Urban Myths about Torque and Power Debunked
by Tom Barber Anyone who spends much time on motorcycle and car related Web forums knows that there is a fair amount of debate on whether the torque or the power of an engine is the true indicator of the vehicle's maximum acceleration. Numerous Web sites offer genuine information on the subject, but there are also a few that offer misinformation and that propagate a few popular myths. This article endeavors to clear up some of the misunderstandings and debunk a few of the myths. Along the way, this article will give a usefully complete theoretical treatment of torque, work, and power, and will offer insight into the metrics of torque, work and power. It will present a theoretical perspective of how dynamometers work and will explain how the two basic types differ. It will even explain precisely how torque and power each relate to acceleration. Myth #1: Dynamometers only actually measure torque. Power is an abstract quantity that can't be measured, and must be calculated from the torque. This belief is false and it will not be hard to show that. However, it involves a discussion of how dynamometers actually work, and before we can go there, we have to begin with a brief review of some fundamental physics. I'll try to avoid equations as much as possible, and instead I'll try to instill an intuitive understanding of the basic concepts, which is something that classroom lectures and textbooks often fail to accomplish for many people. Isaac Newton taught us that any object having a mass M, has an intrinsic resistance to changes in its present momentum when external force is applied. The acceleration of the object is proportional to the strength of the external force, and is inversely proportional to the mass of the object. These observations are summed up succinctly by the infamous equation: F = M x A. The true essence of force, mass and acceleration is embodied in this equation, and this equation tells us how force or mass can be detected and measured. When an object's momentum is not constant, this indicates the existence of an external force, and the strength and direction of that force can be determined by investigating the acceleration. Conversely, if an object is accelerated under the influence of a well-known force, its mass can be determined. Whenever the aggregate force acting on an object is not directed through the object's center of mass, the object is caused to rotate, and this rotation will continue to accelerate as long as this condition persists. The laws governing rotational motion parallel the laws governing straight-line motion. Torque replaces force, the moment of inertia replaces the mass, and the angular acceleration replaces straight-line acceleration. Whereas velocity is measured in terms of absolute distance in straight-line motion, in angular motion we measure velocity in terms of degrees of rotation per unit of time, which we may call angular distance. Angular velocity is the instantaneous rate at which angular distance is covered. Angular acceleration is the instantaneous rate at which the angular velocity is changing, and is proportional to the applied torque, and inversely proportional to the moment of inertia. The torque that is associated with an applied force is equal to the force (magnitude) multiplied by the distance from the center of mass of the object to the line of force (measured at right angles to the line of force). For an object that is constrained to rotate about a fixed axis of rotation, i.e., a wheel, the distance is measured from the axis of rotation to the line of force. Two objects with identical mass will not in general have the same moment of inertia. For example, if two perfect spheres of identical mass are made of different materials having different densities such that they are not the same size, the larger one will have the greater moment of inertia. In the case of objects having fixed axis of rotation, if two such objects have the same overall diameter and density but differ in the radial distribution of the mass, the one with the mass concentrated closer to the axis of rotation will have a lower moment of inertia. Work, in the case of linear motion, is the force multiplied by the distance through which the force was exerted and the object was moved. Work and energy are equivalent; it takes a specific quantity of energy to move an object a given distance in opposition to a given resistive force, and that amount of energy is the same no matter how quickly the movement is performed. Power is simply the instantaneous rate at which work is performed (or energy is expended), and is therefore equal to the product of the force and the velocity. If you measure the force required to move an object, the distance that it moves, and the time interval required to move it that distance, then you can calculate the average power that was applied throughout that motion and over that interval of time. Note, though, that average power is no more equivalent to power than average speed is equivalent to speed. In the case of rotational motion, work is the torque multiplied by the angular distance through which the object is rotated. The parallel with linear motion is again applicable: it takes a specific quantity of energy to rotate an object a given angular distance, and that quantity of energy is the same no matter how quickly the rotation is performed. Each time an object undergoes one complete rotation, a fixed amount of work will have been performed. It follows that the amount of work performed in a given interval of time will depend on the angular distance covered in that time interval, and the rate at which the work is performed will therefore depend on the angular velocity. In rotational motion, power is equal to the product of the torque and the angular velocity, which may be measured in revolutions per minute or rpm. Let's reiterate the important rules discussed thus far: Straight-line motion: Force = Mass x Acceleration Work = Force x Distance Power = Force x Velocity Rotational motion: Torque is measured by taking the right-angle distance from the line of force to the axis of rotation, and multiplying the force by that distance. Torque = Moment of Inertia x Angular Acceleration Work = Torque x Angular Distance Power = Torque x Angular Velocity We should note that these equations are of the type of equation known as "identities". As opposed to stating conditions on the value of a variable, they simply state that the quantities on the two sides of the equal sign are identical quantities. Torque Multiplication There is one more important theoretical concept that we have to discuss, that being an important consequence of the relationship among power, torque, and angular velocity as given in the last equation above. If you use a gearbox to achieve a different rotational rate at the wheel as compared to the engine, the torque at the wheel will not be the same as the torque at the engine crankshaft, even if there are no frictional losses. The reason that this is so is that the rate at which work is done must be constant throughout the system (excepting only for the loss of energy within the system due to friction), and because power is the product of the torque and the angular velocity. Analogies between mechanical systems and electrical systems are often insightful, so I'll ask you to indulge me for a moment while I digress and talk about electrical transformers. The voltage transformer is the electrical equivalent of the mechanical gearbox. A voltage transformer (which, by the way, only works for alternating current) takes advantage of the inductive coupling between the primary and secondary windings to transform the voltage. In electricity, power is the product of the voltage and the current. Because the rate at which work is performed must be constant throughout the system, the product of the voltage and the current in the secondary must be the same as the product of the voltage and the current in the primary – at least in the case of an ideal transformer where there is no loss to heat. If the voltage is reduced or increased by a factor of N, the current will be inversely changed in that same proportion. Okay, back to mechanics. Because power is the product of the torque and the rotational speed, and because the power must be constant throughout the system, the transmission increases the torque in the same proportion by which it reduces the rotational speed. If you measure the torque at the rear wheel, you have to use the overall reduction ratio to calculate the engine torque. At a given engine speed, the rear-wheel torque will depend on what gear is selected. Any dynamometer chart that shows torque must be engine torque or else it would be applicable only to a specific gear and the chart would have to specify the gear, which would not be especially useful. Note, however, that if the torque is measured at the rear wheel and then the overall reduction ratio is used to calculate the engine torque, the result will not be the same as the result that you would get if you rigged the dynamometer directly to the crankshaft, because the measured rear-wheel torque is subject to power train losses. Nevertheless, any dynamometer chart that shows torque and that does not specify the gear is most definitely the engine torque, albeit adjusted for drive train losses. Metrics of torque and power; dynamometer theory Okay, at last we're ready to talk about the metrics of torque and power, and about how dynamometers work. Contrary to what the urban myth says, there is no fundamental physical reason by which it is impossible to measure work or power directly on a dynamometer, i.e., without deriving the power through the torque measurement. Furthermore, even if it were true that the only way to measure power is by derivation through the measured torque, that fact would have no bearing on the significance of power. In fact, measuring power on an inertial dynamometer is no more difficult than measuring torque, and is not predicated on the measurement of torque. Whenever the work performed goes to increase the kinetic energy of an object, power is the instantaneous rate of change of the kinetic energy. It is a trivial matter to calculate the kinetic energy of a moving drum if its rotational speed and moment of inertia are known. The rate of change of the kinetic energy can be determined in a manner essentially identical to the traditional method used to determine the angular acceleration of the drum, which is needed in order to calculate the torque. In an inertial dynamometer, the engine is allowed to accelerate an inertial drum as quickly as it is able. Newer inertial dynamometers use an inertial accelerometer to give the measure of the angular acceleration continuously. With the traditional method, however, each time the drum rotates through a fixed number of degrees, an electrical pulse is generated which triggers the recording of the elapsed time. >From those data points, the average angular velocity can be computed for each of the individual time intervals between adjacent points, by dividing the fixed angular distance by each of the time intervals. Then an average acceleration is calculated for each adjacent pair of average angular velocity values, by dividing the difference in the adjacent average angular velocity values by the corresponding time difference. For each average acceleration value, the average torque over the corresponding time interval is then found by multiplying the average acceleration by the moment of inertia of the drum. On an inertial dynamometer, the average rate of change of kinetic energy for each time interval can be determined using a method that is essentially identical to the traditional method used to determine the acceleration. The average kinetic energy for a given time interval can be calculated from the average angular velocity over the interval, using the formula: K.E. = ½M x V². (It is necessary to factor in a standard correction to account for the fact that the square of an average is not the same as the average of the squares.) If the difference between the average kinetic energies for two adjacent time intervals is divided by the corresponding time difference, the result will be the average power for that time interval. I want to emphasize that this is not in any way an impractical, far-fetched approach. It is for all intents and purposes identical to the ubiquitous, traditional method used to determine the acceleration and the torque on an inertial dynamometer. It is also possible to measure power independently of torque on an inertial dynamometer that is equipped with an accelerometer. A computational technique known as numerical integration can be used to derive the angular velocity at many closely spaced points, from the accelerometer readings. The kinetic energy can then be calculated at each of those points. The average rate of change of the kinetic energy between each of those points can then be calculated the same as with a traditional inertial dynamometer, by dividing adjacent pairs of kinetic energy values by the corresponding time differences. Inertial dynamometers vs. brake dynamometers With an inertial dynamometer, the engine is allowed to spin up as quickly as it can, accelerating the drum as quickly as possible. Consequently, the measured results reflect the engine's ability to increase its work output rapidly, which ability is more greatly influenced by the engine's own internal inertia than is a measurement of steady-state work output. This factor is treated less rigorously than it could be: there is generally no attempt to quantify the effect that the engine's reluctance to rapidly increase its output has on the measured results, and the measured results are not carefully distinguished from a measurement of steady-state output such as would be obtained on a brake dynamometer. Be that as it may, an inertial dynamometer is a more realistic test of an engine's ability to accelerate a vehicle, whereas a brake dynamometer is at least as realistic when the question at hand is an engine's ability to climb a steep hill at steady speed. Turbine engines have a very high thrust to weight ratio, but due to the combined moments of inertia of all of the turbine blades, they are slow to speed up and slow to slow down. Jay Leno's turbine-powered motorcycle would fare much better on a brake dynamometer than it would on an inertial dynamometer. With a brake dynamometer, the engine speed is increased in small steps and held steady at each step in order that the braking torque that is required to hold the drum at a steady rotational rate ("dynamic equilibrium") can be read. The throttle is kept fully open, but closed-loop feedback using the drum's motion sensors is used to regulate the braking force in order to hold the drum's angular velocity constant. Several different types of brakes are used, but regardless the principle of using feedback to hold the drum velocity and the engine rpm constant is the same. Depending on the type of brake used, transducers will be used to take measurements of force, or hydraulic pressure, or hydraulic flow, or electric voltage, or current, etc. Calibration factors and formulae will be applied, all in order to determine the opposing torque that is applied via the brake to the drum in order to maintain the drum at dynamic equilibrium. To summarize, with an inertial dynamometer, the drum is allowed to accelerate as rapidly as the engine can make it accelerate, and the torque that the wheel exerts on the drum is determined using the data from the drum's motion sensors and simple mathematical methods to obtain average rates of change over small time intervals. With a brake dynamometer, the torque that the wheel applies to the drum is found more directly by applying a regulated counter-torque, using transducers to measure the braking force, which must be calibrated and which can be a significant source of error if not done properly with a good understanding of metric processes. Myth #2: Engine torque is the same as the dynamometer drum torque. Peculiar though it is that anyone with any real knowledge of the subject could be this misinformed, it is apparent that many of the same people who believe that dynamometers can't measure power, believe this as well. Regardless, the true nature of the relationship between engine torque and dynamometer drum torque is sufficiently important such that I would be remiss if I were to omit that subject from this article. Regardless of which type of dynamometer is used, the dynamometer measures the torque that is applied to the drum by the wheel, which is applied by way of a longitudinal, frictional force between the wheel and the drum. That longitudinal force can be found by dividing the measured drum torque by the drum's radius. The rear wheel torque can then be found by multiplying the longitudinal force by the wheel's radius. Of course, the longitudinal force is not usually of interest unless perhaps you wish to calculate the theoretical acceleration of your vehicle. To get the rear wheel torque more directly, you divide the drum torque by the drum radius and multiply by the wheel radius. To convert the rear wheel torque to engine torque, you divide the rear wheel torque by the overall reduction ratio. The overall reduction ratio is found by multiplying together the primary reduction ratio between the crankshaft and the transmission's input shaft, the final reduction ratio between the transmission's output shaft and the rear wheel, and the transmission ratio that depends on the specific gear that was used during the dynamometer run. Myth #3: Acceleration will be greatest when the engine speed matches the engine speed where the torque peak occurs. Myth #4: Power is an abstract, derived quantity that is meaningless insofar as concerns the goal of selecting shift points that yield the greatest acceleration. In accordance with the well known relationship among force, mass and acceleration given by Newton's well-known F = M x A, the acceleration of the vehicle is proportional to the longitudinal force at the tire contact patch. (We can ignore the fact that some of the force goes to angular acceleration of the wheels; this will not alter the validity of the analysis or the conclusions.) If the engine torque (adjusted for power train losses) is known for a given engine speed, the corresponding longitudinal force at the contact patch can be calculated by multiplying that torque by the overall reduction ratio and then dividing by the rear wheel radius. So long as the reduction ratio remains fixed at a given gear, the wheel torque, the longitudinal force and the acceleration will all have their maximum values at the engine speed where the torque has its maximum value. That is fine and good, and obvious, but it bears little on the question of how the maximum rear wheel torque and acceleration are determined and maximized when you can use gear selection to alter the engine speed at a given wheel speed. When you use gear selection to change the relationship between the engine speed and the wheel speed, two things happen. First, the change to the engine speed generally alters the engine torque. Second, the change to the overall reduction ratio changes the torque multiplication between the engine and the rear wheel. The vehicle will have greatest acceleration at a given wheel speed when the gear selected results in the greatest rear wheel torque. If a gear is selected that puts the engine speed somewhat higher than the engine speed at which the engine torque peak occurs, that numerically lower gear will result in greater torque multiplication and the rear wheel torque will be greater even though the engine torque will be somewhat less than its maximum value. This will be true so long as the torque curve remains reasonably flat above its peak value. Even with engines that have a pronounced peak in the torque curve, the torque curve will be essentially flat for some distance near the peak. If the gear ratios are properly matched to that torque curve and the wheel speed is within the normal operating range, it will always be true that the acceleration will be greatest when the engine speed is higher than the engine speed at which the torque peak occurs. This begs the question of how the acceleration is related to the power. That relationship is slightly complicated by the coupling of several facts. Power is the rate of change of the kinetic energy, kinetic energy depends on the square of the velocity, and it is not intuitively obvious whether the velocity should change most rapidly at the same engine speed where the square of the velocity changes most rapidly. However, by combining two of the identities (equations) that were presented near the beginning of this article, we can derive an identity that describes acceleration as a function of power, velocity and mass. Combining the two identities: Power = Force x Velocity; Force = Mass x Acceleration, we get another useful identity: Power = Mass x Acceleration x Velocity. Rearranging the terms to isolate acceleration, we get an identity that describes acceleration as a function of power, velocity and mass: Acceleration = Power / (Mass x Velocity) This formula provides us with a couple of useful facts. For one, it tells us that for a given power and mass, the acceleration decreases as the velocity increases, which is consistent with the fact that kinetic energy increases as the square of the velocity. Probably of greater interest to most readers is the fact that for a given velocity and mass, the acceleration is directly proportional to the power. There are two distinct and meaningful consequences of the proportionality between acceleration and power. First, at a given speed, the acceleration will be greatest when the gear selected is such that the power at the associated engine speed is the greatest among all the gears. Second, given any two vehicles with identical mass (to include the mass of the rider), the one with the more powerful engine will exhibit the greatest maximum acceleration, regardless of which one produces the most torque. To be sure, the power to weight ratio determines the vehicle's maximum acceleration, which of course is why that ratio is frequently quoted. The simplest way to assess what the acceleration can be at any given wheel speed, is to convert that wheel speed to the equivalent engine speed for each gear, and then look at the power curve to find which of those engine speeds yields the most power. You can also answer this question from the standpoint of rear wheel torque, but then after looking up the engine torque for each of the engine speeds, you have to turn back around and multiply those engine torque values by their corresponding reduction ratios in order to find the rear wheel torque for each gear. You'll get the same result either way; if you don't, then at least one of the two graphs is in error. However, the torque method requires more computational work as compared to simply looking at the power curve, so why would anyone want to do that? Just for grins, let's consider an actual example. The March, 2003 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News has a dynamometer chart for the 2003 FJR1300. The Yamaha shop manual gives the primary, secondary, and gear-specific reduction ratios for the five gears. I want to find the optimal road speed for shifting from 1st gear to 2nd gear. I worked out the value of the multiplier for converting the road speed in mph to engine speed in rpm. That multiplier is 60, and the primary and secondary reduction ratios are already factored in to that, but I still have to multiply by the gear-specific reduction ratio. At 50 mph, the engine speed will be 7590 rpm in 1st gear (more or less depending on the accuracy of my measurement of the wheel radius), and looking at the dynamometer chart, I read about 120 hp for that engine speed. That's very close to the peak power, but the peak is located a little higher, just shy of 8000 rpm. Therefore, I expect that I should go beyond 50 mph in 1st gear before shifting to 2nd gear. At 60 mph, the engine speed will be 9104 rpm in 1st gear, which is just off the chart because when you cross 9000 rpm you're into the red zone, but I can visually extrapolate the curve and estimate 110 hp, well below the maximum hp. (The error in my measurement of the wheel diameter might be the reason for the engine speed being in the red zone at 60 mph in 1st gear, but that error won't effect the essential comparative result, so I will ignore the red zone.) I can't know whether I should shift to 2nd before reaching 60 mph, until I check what the power will be in 2nd gear at 60 mph and confirm that it is more than 110 hp. At 60 mph in 2nd gear, the engine speed will be 6380 rpm, and the chart indicates about 105 hp, which is slightly less than the 110 hp that I'll get at 60 mph if I remain in 1st gear. Therefore, if this chart is correct and subject to the accuracy of my measurement of the rear wheel diameter, the implication is that for purposes of maximum acceleration, I should wait until I reach a speed slightly higher than 60 mph before shifting from 1st to 2nd. But what happens if I compare the engine torques? At 60 mph in 1st gear, at 9104 rpm, the engine torque has dropped to about 60 lb. ft., a value well below the peak value of about 87 lb. ft. At 60 mph in 2nd gear, at 6380 rpm, the engine torque is about 85 lb. ft., which is very close to the peak. If I were to believe that the acceleration is greatest when the engine torque is greatest, then I would conclude that I should shift well before I reach 60 mph, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 mph. But let's see what happens when we convert those engine torque values to rear wheel torque. When 60 lb. ft. is multiplied by the overall reduction ratio for 1st gear, the rear wheel torque at 60 mph in 1st gear is found to be about 658 lb. ft. When 85 lb. ft. is multiplied by the overall reduction ratio for 2nd gear, the rear wheel torque is found to be about 653 lb. ft. In other words, I have slightly more rear wheel torque at 60 mph in 1st gear than I do in 2nd gear, which suggests that I should wait until I reach a speed slightly higher than 60 mph before shifting from 1st to 2nd, which agrees exactly with the result that I got when I compared the power! Myth #5: The reason that long-stroke, under-square engines produce more torque at low rpm than short-stroke, over-square engines, is because the longer crank throws are more distant from the axis of rotation, and that causes the torque to be greater.Let's consider the question of what determines the engine torque, and in doing so, let's be careful to distinguish the instantaneous torque from the average torque through a full rotation of the crank. The instantaneous torque varies considerably throughout that rotation, even within the ½ crank rotation corresponding to the power stroke. The quantity of work done during one complete rotation of the crank is fully determined by the integral of the instantaneous torque over that complete rotation. The average torque over the rotation is the integral of the instantaneous torque divided by the angular distance, so it follows that the average torque over the crank rotation effectively determines the quantity of work done over that crank rotation. (I have of course simplified matters by adopting an engine that has but a single cylinder.) Now, if it were possible to increase the average torque over a crank rotation simply by lengthening the stroke and the crank throw, then it would be possible to arbitrarily increase the work, the power, and the acceleration simply by lengthening the stroke! Talk about your free lunch! The work performed by an engine during the movement of the piston through a single power stroke is determined by the quantity of energy released by the combustion of fuel and by the compression ratio (the compression ratio determines the thermal efficiency). Any desired compression ratio can be achieved for a given stroke, by shortening the space between the piston face and the cylinder head. Since the length of the stroke does not fundamentally determine either the compression ratio or the amount of energy released in the combustion, the quantity of work performed during a single crank rotation must be independent of the length of the stroke. Since the average torque over the rotation likewise determines the quantity of work performed, it follows that the average torque over the rotation must also be independent of the length of the stroke. The torque applied to the crank depends on the force as well as the crank throw distance. The force that the gas exerts on the piston face is proportional to both the gas pressure and the area of the piston face. As the stroke is make longer, for a given displacement, the piston face area is made proportionally smaller, and the force exerted on the piston face is made proportionally smaller. Thus, the effect of increasing the stroke length is cancelled by the coupled effect of reducing the piston face area. Here, we see that even the maximum instantaneous torque applied to the crank will be independent of the stroke if the stroke variation is subject to a constraint on the displacement. To the extent that a long stroke engine happens to produce more engine torque at low engine speed as compared to a short stroke engine, the reason for this is at best indirectly related to the length of the stroke. Rather, it can only be due to a difference in volumetric efficiency at that lower engine speed, i.e., design characteristics such as valve lift/duration and the rate of volumetric expansion of the combustion chamber on the intake stroke. Instead of the long stroke causing the engine to produce more torque at low engine speed, the truth of the matter is that the long stroke and its associated greater piston speed and piston acceleration limit the engine speed. As such, it only makes sense that the design characteristics such as the valve lift and duration be optimized for greatest volumetric efficiency at the lower engine speeds where that engine will always be operated. Because of that specific optimization, you would expect that such an engine should be capable of producing more torque at those low engine speeds than an engine that is not similarly optimized for low engine speed.Whether or not an engine that by design produces its maximum torque at a low rpm is a Good Thing™, is subjective. The power and acceleration will come on a little sooner off the line, and this sort of engine will be able to increase its output from low output to maximum output more quickly, because the rpm range through which it must be accelerated to reach its peak power will be smaller. However, power determines acceleration, and power depends on the engine speed, so an engine of this sort is inherently incapable of achieving the same power or acceleration as compared to a high rpm engine of similar displacement, at any road speed. Even "off the line", if a short stroke, high rpm engine is mated to a gear box with 1st gear set adequately low, the short stroke, high rpm engine will out-accelerate the long stroke, low rpm engine, anytime, anywhere. Copyright © 2003, by Tom Barber. All rights reserved.


Originally Posted by Daniel5691
Hi !

Are there predictable, detrimental effects on the 928 as a result
of "babying" the car during driving?

By this I mean lower-range revs, "economy-style" shifting by
those with manual transmission, in other words, puttering around
with the car as opposed to "spirited" driving styles?

( LOL my Uncle Jack used to extol the virtue of "BLOWING THE SOOT"
out of his cars occasionally, and my Uncle Kenneth used to berate him
for "killing" his engines prematurely. I was 12... who knows what they
were actually talking about? Funny how certain memories will get
lodged and persist...)
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so dont drive your car like a chicken!!! its not good for it!

[QUOTE=Daniel5691;12799318]Well. Somebody finally brought CHICKEN into this topic.
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