bureau13

Just to clarify the 7" H4 mentioned elsewhere in this thread should work fine with the "Shove a high quality LED" method...right? I'm confused why anyone would bother with the Jeep Nighthawk thing at something like 7x the price of the 7" H4, unless I've missed something here...

Bizman928

Your are absolutely correct! Jeff.
Well said!

Steve

ROG100

We are well advanced in making the 8" H4 lens in the same material as we make the driving/fog light lens. You will remove the H5 lens from the light assembly and replace with an H4 lens. Then you can use the 9004 bulbs from Steve.

MainePorsche

This will be a good maneuver Roger for all parties.

Rob Edwards

So the shape of an H5 housing's reflector is the same as the H4's reflector, and the only difference is the lens? I never dug out my spare H5's to check the Bosch P/N.

MainePorsche

Even if the reflector shape is different, the scatter pattern of the H5 lens is the real culprit I would think.

ROG100

Rob side by side they look pretty close to being the same apart from the bulb receptacle and the lens itself. However I have not done a Rob and taken a micrometer or vernier to it 8>).

Carl Fausett

Right. People have been buying our Hella 7" H4 replacements for a long time. Then you could just use the H4 bulb, or now add the new concept of an LED H4 bulb to that.
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/hellalights.php

ROG100

Unfortunately the 7" Hella are just a band aid and only slightly better than the sealed beam 7" originals. I have them on some of my early cars to maintain the stock look and do not recommend them to customers unless they want to maintain the stock look.
If you really want to improve your lights the only way to go is the 8" H4. NIGHT & DAY Difference.
Once we have the H4 lens this option will be available to all with 8" H5 original lens assemblies at a reasonable price. Coupled with the new WoodyPeck bulbs 9004 you will be in light heaven 8>)

Carl Fausett

BTW does anybody have a photo of the lens pattern on a garage door or anything for the GE Nighthawk idea?

I mean - several of you are sure they do not focus their beams, but I wonder if this is what you have heard, or what you KNOW?

I ask, because GE specifically claims that they are street legal, exceed all DOT requirements, and have a sharp cut-off.

From the GE product description:
http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWe...ghts/overview/

Carl Fausett

I disagree in part. Hella makes a great lens and reflector assembly, and the Hella H4's are a huge gain over the US-type sealed beam. Huge. Much, much better.

Still - what I do agree with, is that the absolute best looking and functioning light in a 928 is the 8" rounds. ...if you can afford them.

Given the price of the 8" round conversions ($500 EACH?), the Hella is a solid option to replace a 7" sealed beam at a much lower cost ($144 a PAIR).

bureau13

I've seen some reviews and comparisons of the 7" Hella with sealed-beam lights, and they did look quite a bit better to me.

Regarding the modified lens to replace H5 assemblies...that still doesn't help those of us with older cars and 7" sealed beams...does it? I'm pretty sure I still need to do something like the Hellas or go with a real (pricey) H4 upgrade.

Roger, do you know if the Hellas you tried that weren't satisfactory were perhaps the DOT-approved lights, rather than the E-code lights? Both are available, and I've read many reviews suggesting that the E-code were far superior to the others.

ROG100

Actually H4 assemblies are much cheaper than $500 each.

Our price for the Porsche supplied complete H4 head light assembly including bulb is $350 each.
We also sell the 7" H4 Hella units with uprated bulbs for $115 a pair.

I can only assume you have only sold them and never driven a car actually fitted with them at night - because that statement is way OTT.

ROG100

Starting at the point that the original 7" are practically useless the 7" Hella e-code are an improvement. However they are still pretty poor in the grand scheme and when compared the 8" H4. This is based on my actual experience of driving a car at night fitted with the Hella H4 e-code lights. When compared to my GTS with 8" H4's with "Pure Power" direct harnesses they are as I have said useless.

Carl Fausett

Well there you have it. Say you have a 1981 with 7" sealed beams.
Are you going to invest $700 for a pair of 8" headlights, or $115 for a pair of Hella H4's?

The Hella H4's have a place, and they are a good product. PLUS: you could easily fit them with a H4 LED bulb if you wanted to take them another step, and you'd still be under $200.