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Old 08-21-2015, 06:10 PM
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So I came across this 928 over a year ago on Craigslist. I was only interested because it was a 5 speed manual Euro and I thought that there was value there (not to mention 50% more horsepower than my '82 and '84). The owner was a 944 guy (who shall be called PO1) who wanted to try his hand at a 928 so he bought it from a guy (who shall be called PO2) that had started the process of converting it into a track car. PO2 removed the heater core and all associated lines as well as a good portion of the interior carpet and rear liners. Supposedly, PO2 sold it to PO1 because he needed the cash to start a business. After pulling the fuel tank and buying a replacement from 928 International and some other fuel regulator parts, PO1 decided to call it quits and focus on his 4 cylinders instead. I emailed him with an offer for half of what he was asking (what I thought it'd be worth rock bottom for parts car only) and told him I had a trailer and he immediately said no. Later that day he responded and said if I picked it up that same night it was mine for the taking. So I did. I'm a sucker when it comes to cheap 928s, I just can't help myself sometimes...

When I picked it up I brought home 6 to 8 large totes filled with miscellaneous interior pieces and what else PO1 picked up to be able to reassemble the car. He had clearly invested a lot of extra money finding all of the missing bits and pieces. That told me that it wasn't because the car was junk that he was done with it- he was probably just frustrated since he had never worked on 928's before. Normally you get it running before spending a lot on non-essential parts. So I know it's bad that the car has been sitting for a while given the K-jet injection system but the tank has been removed and drained by PO1.

I ended up talking to PO2 a few months ago after finding his mother's telephone number online somehow. She was a nice lady and called me back with his cell number. So PO2 said that he replaced several piston rings, the timing belt, and the head gaskets along with the vacuum lines and other rubber bits under the intake. He also installed an electric cooling fan, new brake rotors and pads, new overly fat tires and a custom fabbed cat-less exhaust with some very loud mufflers according to PO1.

Since I have many other project 928s in progress at the moment I am tempted to steal a bunch of parts from this one to get my others back on the road. I could use the front and rear bumpers along with all of the mounting hardware, lights, reinforcements and such for my '82 that has the fiberglass American International reproduction S4 bumpers and mint condition OEM light housings all-around (I could save those for a rainy day, who knows when I might need them). I want to return to OEM parts since both the reproduction front and rear bumpers need repainting anyway- I might as well make the car as original as possible. I also wouldn't mind saving the heads for my '84 when the time comes to replace the timing belt and head gaskets.

So this is my question to those who have an opinion: How much is this car worth in parts? Is there a market for an '83 Euro engine that is complete with harnesses and the ECM with around 130,000 miles on the clock that needs some TLC? I've seen people selling 5 speed transmissions on here but I really have no clue what a 5 speed transmission with a locking differential is worth. I barely have time to work on my other cars let alone start parting out this one so I'm very torn on what to do- sell her as a project to someone who will love her and treat her right, or part her out. What do you guys think?





Yes, those are hood pins...



And somewhere along the lines the Euro fenders were replaced with US versions...









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What's the vin and engine code?
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The car looks and sounds about past the point of no return, in my opinion. It's a mixed mess, parts wise. And I'm assuming it doesn't run, since all of your exhaust-sound-effects are based on PO1's comments. Taking the car apart is a few days of your life, listing the parts, another few days, packing stuff up and shipping...certainly could be a much longer time frame.

I'm disassembling a 78 right now and have about three days of work into it, but most of the parts I'm keeping. If l were disassembling this car for resale...it would not be worth the effort. Most of the items have scratches or broken this or that...so everything is in minimal condition or maybe slightly better.

Your hood, hatch, front foglights, interior are in poor shape...so what does a person sell such items for? Me, if the part is not at least a 6 on the 1 to 10 scale...it goes in the dumpster. Unless, it is some obscure part. You'll have to do a bit of researching, too...to see what year/model the parts are you will be selling. Example, you tell someone you have an 83 fender or such for sale and ship...and it's not...you may have a problem.

I'm about two days from getting mine out of the garage, engine comes out Sunday...and the the sawsall will make short work of the rest. My parts car was mainly a learning process, not so much a earning process. I wanted to know how the car was assembled, and taking one a part is a good way to learn. Better to break clips, scratch stuff on that car...instead of the quality 78 (old red) that needs disassembled for cleaning and minor repairs...and waits for its spot in the garage. And this justified the effort and time too dismantle the parts car.

I believe you would have a hard time selling this car as a project. It's basically two cars in one...and we don't even know much about the running condition. I don't mean to talk so much about my project...but I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from and what my opinion was based on.

The only way I would ever disassemble another car would be...if it had parts I needed or it was in great shape and blew the motor or something.

Good luck with what decision you make.

Brian.
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Originally Posted by gbgastowers
What's the vin and engine code?
Good question. The numbers produced and production number quoted don't correlate with PET for an '83 German ROW manual.
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Originally Posted by gbgastowers
What's the vin and engine code?
I believe it is #1378...according to the document posted.
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Originally Posted by Dave928S
Good question. The numbers produced and production number quoted don't correlate with PET for an '83 German ROW manual.
Weird, I wonder if it a US model...that someone dropped a ROW engine into?

Plus, aren't the headlights wrong for a euro model?

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Originally Posted by The Deputy
Weird, I wonder if it a US model...that someone dropped a ROW engine into?

Plus, aren't the headlights wrong for a euro model?

Brian.
Yes, the headlights aren't right, and the gear shift shaft also doesn't look right for a manual.

It'll be interesting to get some numbers to sort it out.
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Did you check the basics.. like whether the engine is actually an M28.11 still, and what the serial number of the transmission are?
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Originally Posted by gbgastowers
What's the vin and engine code?
Here's the VIN: WP0ZZZ92ZDS840705. I'll need to get back to the car to check the engine code.

Originally Posted by The Deputy
Good luck with what decision you make.

Brian.
Thank you for all the comments. It is appreciated.

Originally Posted by The Deputy
Weird, I wonder if it a US model...that someone dropped a ROW engine into?

Plus, aren't the headlights wrong for a euro model?

Brian.
Yes, the headlights are cheap aftermarket units. Probably added at the same time as the fenders being replaced with US versions...

Originally Posted by Dave928S
Yes, the headlights aren't right, and the gear shift shaft also doesn't look right for a manual.

It'll be interesting to get some numbers to sort it out.
Correct again, it has an aftermarket shift **** that looks automaticish...
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That's a 928 euro s vin
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VIN: WP0ZZZ92ZDS840705
1983 ROW 928
C00: Germany
Motor: M28.11
Gearbox: G28.07
Options:
M220 ... LSD
I395 ... Forged Wheels Silver Colored Anodized, Rim 7 x16 , Tire 225/50VR-16
M438 ... Comfort seat right
I454 ... Cruise control
I455 ... Wheel Locks
I468 ... Side Glasses Green and Windshield Green- Upper Part Darker Colored (83-84)
M489 ... Symbols and insignia in German
I499 ... Sekuriflex Windshield (83-84)
M528 ... Passenger side mirror convex

No sunroof option .. is that correct?
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No, it has a sunroof. The build sheet from 928OC shows the M650 sliding roof option. Where did you pull your information from?
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Originally Posted by UNEEKONE
No, it has a sunroof. The build sheet from 928OC shows the M650 sliding roof option. Where did you pull your information from?
PET ... but there are some occasional errors with options, and it doesn't correlate 100% of the time with the build sticker, or reality on the car.
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LSD might be of interest to someone, though if it is the 83 trans it has the older synchros and is ballast. Check the number if its a manual, maybe someone swapped in an 85/newer.

Heads and up is probably worth pulling/checking for condition. COuld be of use to someone.

Definitely check the block #, in case someone put together a hybrid for you (5.0L block).
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So what's going on with this parts mobile?


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